Hal Jordan: The Green Lantern Appreciation 2022

[Refrax5]

I think people sometimes forget the amount of self-reflection Hal does in John's run. That and Hal's always been a sort of two masters ' self-confident Hal' arguably starting with Broome and ' self-doubt Hal' starting with O'Neil. synthesizing those two is... hard and no balance will ever please everyone. My personal fatigue is Wolfman stuff... that most people still haven't seen because DC just won't re-print it for some damn reason!

I'm not going to get into this too much again since people got very argumentative last time, but while Johns' Hal had some good moments, he definitely played up the macho, womanizing, military jerk thing way too much and it soured me on Hal's character over time. I'm an old punk rock guy, so whenever they go too hard at making the character a cop/military jock type of guy, I find it personally hard to like the character. I don't think Johns is very good at nuance, either, so Hal went from being a favorite of mine that I was thrilled to have back to the kind of guy I can't stand in real life.

[NathanS]

To be fair its always been a bit of a contradiction in Hal. He was said from day one to be a 'patrol-man' and well... is a test pilot which is something you tend to become by... being in the military. But also carried with it terms of a rebellious streak. At least in pop culture. O'Neil leaned HEAVY into the policeman element crafting a Hal who was purely by the book type, he believes in the following authority (often to... insane degrees in the famed 12 issues,) and working in the system. We then get a Hal defined more by that rebellious streak image and the whole 'fearless' element. But again the two have always co-existed in a fascinating but uneasy balance and each writer will end up balancing and trying to deal with the contradictions differently.

[StarSpangledMan]

Hal's always been a sort of two masters ' self-confident Hal' arguably starting with Broome and ' self-doubt Hal' starting with O'Neil. synthesizing those two is... hard and no balance will ever please everyone.

I can't speak for everyone but I think Cooke nailed the dichotomy the Hal. And so did the writers of GLTAS.

[j9ac9k]

I'm happy to see Hal used in Dark Crisis, (in a significant way, according to interviews) but I'll be happy if he's just shown as an effective hero - I don't expect any character work for him in a big event series, though I'm hoping for some nice scenes with him and Barry. I'm encouraged that Williamson remembered Hal and Wally are close so that's a good start. His role here is as part of the "mentor generation" so I don't expect much of "cocky Hal" here.

[Anthony Shaw]

I can't speak for everyone but I think Cooke nailed the dichotomy the Hal. And so did the writers of GLTAS.

Imo, GLTAS is the gold standard for modern Hal & Guy.

[Frontier]

To be fair its always been a bit of a contradiction in Hal. He was said from day one to be a 'patrol-man' and well... is a test pilot which is something you tend to become by... being in the military. But also carried with it terms of a rebellious streak. At least in pop culture. O'Neil leaned HEAVY into the policeman element crafting a Hal who was purely by the book type, he believes in the following authority (often to... insane degrees in the famed 12 issues,) and working in the system. We then get a Hal defined more by that rebellious streak image and the whole 'fearless' element. But again the two have always co-existed in a fascinating but uneasy balance and each writer will end up balancing and trying to deal with the contradictions differently.

This is where I see it as well.

[Mantis-Ray]

Does anyone know why the complete collection trades for the Geoff Johns Green Lantern run hasn't gotten a new installment since vol 4 in 2020?

Like I got volume 3 which was the Sinestro War and that was fantastic, so its kinda disappointing I can't finish that collection. Gonna have to go with the very expensive omnibuses if necessary.

[j9ac9k]

Imo, GLTAS is the gold standard for modern Hal & Guy.

While I like what they did with Guy - it was an interesting twist to make him super-liked by all - I prefer a Guy who rubs most people the wrong way with only a few friends who understand and appreciate him.

[Frontier]

While I like what they did with Guy - it was an interesting twist to make him super-liked by all - I prefer a Guy who rubs most people the wrong way with only a few friends who understand and appreciate him.

Same. It was a nice joke in the show but realistically not many people would actually like Guy .

[Vordan]

Does anyone know why the complete collection trades for the Geoff Johns Green Lantern run hasn't gotten a new installment since vol 4 in 2020?

Like I got volume 3 which was the Sinestro War and that was fantastic, so its kinda disappointing I can't finish that collection. Gonna have to go with the very expensive omnibuses if necessary.

That’s why lol, DC wants you to buy the omnis

[Anthony Shaw]

While I like what they did with Guy - it was an interesting twist to make him super-liked by all - I prefer a Guy who rubs most people the wrong way with only a few friends who understand and appreciate him.

I see what you mean. However, I thought Guy was manipulative with his meeting with the Guardians, and goading Hal. He still hit on the reporter, iirc. Straight arrow characters will still give him the side eye.

I still imagine Guy & Hal falling out had the series continued due to both having strong personalities, but different ways of dealing with problems.

Guy was still an a-hole, just not as dangerous when Englehart initially repackaged him.

[Johnny]

[silly]

Where is this from?

[StarSpangledMan]

Where is this from?

End of the second arc of New 52 Justice League, so issue 12 I think.

[j9ac9k]

End of the second arc of New 52 Justice League, so issue 12 I think.

It was stupid having Hal resign over something so ... stupid.