Sean, you did an interview with DC's website(opens in new tab) in which you said you wanted to "reinvent Jason [...] while also honoring what made him so compelling for readers…" What is it that makes Red Hood so compelling? And how do you walk that line between making your own version and respecting the original?
Murphy: It's funny; I didn't really know much about him when I first put him in the book. In Volume One, I put his name on a gravestone. Then, I had some throwaway dialogue that, though it didn't really register to me, makes him Robin number one. And when Clay got the script and read over it, he goes, ‘Oh, you're switching Robin orders. That's interesting.' And then he tells me, ‘Well, Dick talks about another Robin that was there before him, so obviously that means he's the second Robin. And that's a big deal.'
I could either change it or go with it, and like an idiot, I decided, ‘Who cares about changing it? I'm just going to keep going. We'll fix this some other time.' So here we are, five years later, trying to fix it.
But the response I get is mostly positive. I think a lot of people were confused, too, which is totally fine as well. I was stunned by all the people that just wanted to know what happened to Jason in this universe. So as I finished Volume One, I threw some more Jason scenes in there. It turns out he wasn't dead; he was alive and he never told Bruce the truth because he wanted to hurt him.
I never really thought about how it would work from there, but as I moved forward the last four years, and Clay has been helping me, I've noticed how Jason keeps popping up in my universe. So we really wanted to address it in a real way, address the lost chapter of Jason. Clay drove in and did a lot of the research, he figured out Jason's beginning as Robin and how to make our version a little bit different. He's still the angry Robin, but we asked, ‘What if he's a little bit older now? What if he got some distance from Bruce? And what if the way he got some distance was by training his own Robin?
He's empathizing with Bruce too because you can't hold onto a grudge forever. The interesting thing about the way Clay wrote him is that he's matured beyond the Red Hood people know.
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Nrama: Gotcha. Now Clay, since this is your first DC book like you said, I know you're excited about a lot of things. In that interview I mentioned earlier, you said you were excited to help shape the White Knight universe. In what ways does Red Hood do that?
McCormack: We're answering one of the most interesting questions that Sean has put on the table, which is, ‘What happened to Jason Todd after he escaped the Joker?'
Jason's involvement in the universe started off as kind of a small, character-motivation thing for Batman, but as he kept popping up, his story ended up becoming central to a lot of the main characters. What happened to Jason affects Dick, it affects Harley, it affects the Joker and, of course, it affects Batman. But we don't know how it affects Jason.
Getting to bridge the gap between the Robin with a bloody face we see in Curse of the White Knight to the more confident, adult, prison guard version of him that shows up in Beyond the White Knight is really exciting because there's a whole bunch of room to play around and define his character in a way that maybe people aren't used to. It's a really central part of the universe that has not been explored yet, so it was very exciting to flesh that out.
Nrama: Sean, the last time you and I talked about White Knight, we touched on the Red Hood and you said that part of this story is Jason empathizing with Bruce because he takes on the mentor role. By the end of this comic, how will Jason feel about Bruce?
Murphy: That will be answered in two ways. Clay's miniseries will have an answer to that, and Jason is going to be set up for the finale in[Beyond the White Knight] as well.
After that, I'm not really sure what to do with him. One of my instincts is, well, Bruce doesn't want to be Batman anymore, but he decides that the city needs Batman, so maybe Jason should take over? But that seems like it would backtrack Jason. You know, ‘You're the first Robin in this universe, the mantle is yours if you want.' But Jason has worked really hard to get away from that, so it seems like Jason might bow out and give it to Dick or something.
I'll have to talk with Clay about what he thinks works for the character the most. We haven't really decided what to do with the end of Jason yet.
McCormack: I think by the end of our book, you'll see how Jason has started working on his hangups with Bruce. But I wouldn't say that he is out of the woods with that stuff yet by any stretch of the imagination. It's a work in progress, and all through Beyond the White Knight you see that he's not really sure.
Murphy: We also have Terry [McGinnis], who has inherited the Batman Beyond suit, so it moves the chess pieces around a lot. The youngest member of the team now has got the most powerful suit; how is that going to work? Is he going to be Batman? Is he going to give it to Dick? So there are a lot of placements that we are all looking at that we're still looking at and we're not sure how it's all going to work out yet.