Should Joe Biden Run For Re-Election In 2024?

[babyblob]

Very true, but I see no evidence he didn't learn from that mistake, as by the end of it, he was handling it a lot better. I would hope he would be far more capable to handle that situation again now he's grown, matured and experienced more as a member of cabinet, over... just a mayor. He was still quite green then. As skeletons in the closet go... it's a really minor one.


Who is treating him that way? You seem to be the only one pushing this narrative, and so far you have demonstrated to know nothing about him.

My gay friends say this. He is gay needs to run. Ive heard him brought up on CNN a couple times and they made a big deal about the fact he is gay. Im saying it because I hear it in my life from people I know.

Do I know a lot about his polices? Not as much as I would like and I said that. I said I need to and will look at him more. I said i like his views and stand. and views I will support him. I will damn sure support him over any GOP.

Even on this thread he would be a great candidate because he can confront he Anti gay hysteria. Not because he would be a great person to run because of what he ran on last time.

Actually I mentioned him first in this thread, and I didn't mention he was gay. You know who brought it up first... YOU!

You are right here. I did bring up he was gay because I dont think he can win. And I admit I projected what I hear in my life from the circle of friends I have. When they talk about him that is the first thing they tell people who know nothing about him. And a few other people I have met that supported him in 2020.

So projection and I am sorry about that.

[Mister Mets]

If Joe Biden and the U.S. government actually wanted to end the war they would be on TV every day pushing for peace talks, but that’s not what they are doing. Instead they are pumping billions of dollars of arms into a war zone and using Ukraine to fight a proxy war with Russia.

I think the Biden administration has made it clear that they'd love it if Russia were to stop murdering Ukranians. They'd be happy with peace talks. It's up to the aggressor to provide the opportunity.

Sure, Ukraine should not give up. Let Ukraine fight Russia with the U.S. aid. And also let thousands of innocents get killed in this war

I don’t stand with the presidents Biden, Trump, Putin, or any other corrupt world leader. I don’t stand with the oligarchs in the U.S., Russia or any other nation. I stand with the people of this world whose labor is exploited to prop up a rigged economy that funnels wealth to the ruling elite.

Are you suggesting there's no difference to the working class if Russia or Ukraine wins?

No!

Joe did his part. He beat Trump and helped to (temporarily?) save our democracy. Regardless of what happens during his term, his place in history is set. Now it’s time to pass the torch. We don’t need an 82 year old man out on the campaign trail.

Only problem is there doesn’t seem to be another candidate who can win a national election. Harris is wildly unpopular and Sanders is even older than Joe. Hopefully someone emerges in the next 2 years. Gavin Newsom maybe?

It would be an interesting question who would emerge.

Kamala Harris is the obvious frontrunner. Since Humphrey, every Vice President has won the presidential nomination, including Joe Biden who as a 78 year old white guy did not match the profile of what Democrats were looking for. She would unite the establishment and the identity politics crowd.

Buttigieg is the obvious rising star, but I'm not sure he wants to challenge an overwhelming favorite in his administration.

There will likely be some left-wing challenger who is Bernie/ squad adjacent. I'm not sure who it would be, or how well they would do. AOC would be just old enough, and there's been talk about Ro Khanna.

The main argument to run against Harris would be that she hasn't done a good job as Vice President, and I'm not sure people who see themselves as future Presidents want to make that claim against a frontrunner.

Actually, he might be the best person to run for exactly that reason. Gay and trans rights have broad acceptance. While the issue of trans-women in sports is often ill understood and full of stereotypes, the exact best way to combat it is to shine a light directly on the GOP's extremism and its ever deepening ties to it. The issue, of course, is can he really broad and diverse support in communities of color? Does he understand what a campaign has to do not to cede and communicate on the latino vote? He's shown he can communicate well and with clarity on his several Fox News appearances, and he did well in Iowa, much to the Sanders' campaigns chagrin.

It's worth looking at the results for gay candidates in major elections, especially swing states.

Jared Polis is a popular Governor of Colorado.

Tammy Baldwin was comfortably reelected in Wisconsin.

Buttigieg's main issue with getting diverse support in communities of color would be explaining why he's running against a frontrunner who is a black woman.

[Jack Dracula]

I caucused for Buttigieg and many more people seemed concerned with his age and relative inexperience than his sexual orientation.

[Kieran_Frost]

I think the Biden administration has made it clear that they'd love it if Russia were to stop murdering Ukranians. They'd be happy with peace talks. It's up to the aggressor to provide the opportunity.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH! This is not America's fault, or the Biden administration. You don't stop a bully by hoping he just... stops bullying. Putin won't back down, they won't negotiate peacefully, and this is no-one's fault but Putin. Even his own generals have spoken out against the car-crash of an invasion.

Buttigieg's main issue with getting diverse support in communities of color would be explaining why he's running against a frontrunner who is a black woman.

The only way I can see this happening smoothly is if Harris (or the party) decide to back Secretary Pete. Which is highly unlikely. But you never know, rational minds might win?

I caucused for Buttigieg and many more people seemed concerned with his age and relative inexperience than his sexual orientation.

Now he's held a cabinet position, that should take care of the inexperience, and his age might benefit this time. A welcome contrast to the (too) old age of Biden, Trump and Sanders.

You are right here. I did bring up he was gay because I dont think he can win. And I admit I projected what I hear in my life from the circle of friends I have. When they talk about him that is the first thing they tell people who know nothing about him. And a few other people I have met that supported him in 2020.

So projection and I am sorry about that.

I do always like that you owe up to stuff, so kudos to that, never loose that great quality. As for your friends (while anecdotal) it could be possible they say he's gay 'first' to you specifically, as a way of trying to engage your interest. It's lazy, but is a possibility, which is why you specifically hear it so much. But yes, research Secretary Pete a lot more. His instagram is great, very informative and you get a good feel for how he talks and communicates. It's beautiful. He'd be such a breath of fresh air.

[babyblob]

If it is not going to be Biden then I cant see any where they go but with Harris. And if that is the case they need to do more. Need to a spin. There are some Dems that are not happy with her so she would be a hard sell I think to some swing voters. Also the White House needs to come out and talk more about the things she is doing. They need to talk about the projects she is involved in, the things she is trying to get done. They cover the odd trip and such she makes. But they dont talk in detail about the stuff she is doing. They should have used the last two years promoting the Heck out of her. She should have been every where. And Biden and The White House should have been boosting her every chance they get.

@ Kieran I am going to look more into him. He is one my list. I have a small list of people I want to research and look more into.

[Catlady in training]

Kieran, I would like to have a tenth of your optimism, but I agree with everything Blob said, I very much doubt that Buttigieg would have a real chance, regardless of his credentials and plan.
But let's see first how well those people who are now passing all of the anti-trans and anti-choice legislation do in midterms. If some of them lose, there might be a chance still, but if we see more republicans winning (this is sadly what I expect), I think the only chance for democrats will be the safest, least controversial candidate possible, going against the most crazy republicant cndidate.

[babyblob]

Kieran, I would like to have a tenth of your optimism, but I agree with everything Blob said, I very much doubt that Buttigieg would have a real chance, regardless of his credentials and plan.
But let's see first how well those people who are now passing all of the anti-trans and anti-choice legislation do in midterms. If some of them lose, there might be a chance still, but if we see more republicans winning (this is sadly what I expect), I think the only chance for democrats will be the safest, least controversial candidate possible, going against the most crazy republicant cndidate.

Well there were more Primaries then I liked that saw Trump back anti gay, Anti trans candidates win. So I dont think that bodes well for 2022.

[numberthirty]

The reasons that Mayor Pete needs to stay the Hell off of the board have nothing to do with who he is married to...

First off, the guy was in a cabinet position during a supply chain breakdown. For all of the stuff that they said Republicans would hit Biden/Sanders with? This is straight up "Stuff That Actually Happened..." that they can go after the guy on. Never mind that plenty of Americans saw it first hand.

Past that, look around and watch any of the clips where the guy is talking about electric vehicles. Nicest way to say it? He sounds right around "Beyond Completely..." out of touch when it comes to how realistic affording an electric vehicle is for your regular "Working Class..." American family.

[numberthirty]

Never mind if Republicans clean up in the fall.

That happens?

Everyone from this administration except for maybe Bide is going to be a liability.

[CSTowle]

I'd disagree on that last. Unless you're a prominent face of the franchise (President or Veep) a lot of people from failed Administrations go on to either run for the big seat or work for those that do. They're known quantities, usually Party loyalists, and have connections. Failing at a job is a liability, but Mayor Pete still has a couple of years to turn that around and clearly isn't front-and-center in the Administration. He's not very charismatic. I think that's the liability, when you have that slimy "career politician" vibe like the John Edwards/Gavin Newsoms/Corey Bookers of the world. You need to couple it with charisma to get people to ignore or even find it charming. For all my criticisms of the Clintons, Bill had that. Like Carlin said, he was full of s##t but he was honest about being full of s##t.

[Captain Nostalgia]

Good to see the fed showed that they are serious about tackling inflation by implementing a 75 point basis rate hike today.

Also happy to hear that Biden's scheduled to travel to Saudi Arabia to try to get the oil taps flowing. No guarantees, but that will go a long way in bringing down inflation. Smart overdue move.

I don't see a soft landing though, a mild recession is highly probable at this point, but it will probably be followed by an economic upswing once things are reset.

If there is a turn around by the summer of 2024, I think the prospects for Biden being re-elected is pretty strong (Should he choose to run)

[numberthirty]

I'd disagree on that last. Unless you're a prominent face of the franchise (President or Veep) a lot of people from failed Administrations go on to either run for the big seat or work for those that do. They're known quantities, usually Party loyalists, and have connections. Failing at a job is a liability, but Mayor Pete still has a couple of years to turn that around and clearly isn't front-and-center in the Administration. He's not very charismatic. I think that's the liability, when you have that slimy "career politician" vibe like the John Edwards/Gavin Newsoms/Corey Bookers of the world. You need to couple it with charisma to get people to ignore or even find it charming. For all my criticisms of the Clintons, Bill had that. Like Carlin said, he was full of s##t but he was honest about being full of s##t.

If this was a "Garden Variety..." administration?

I would probably tend to agree with you.

As it stands?

This is an administration that specifically ran on being the "Competent.." alternative.

Between that being the case, and the fact that everyone will most likely have a pretty recent memory of the issues that the supply chain caused come 2024?

(Never mind that it fumbled dealing with getting baby formula production back up to one hundred percent in a timely fashion)

I'd have to politely disagree. Anyone from this administration(and, honestly? Mayor Pete, in particular...) is going to be an issue.

[numberthirty]

This clip is a solid example. Would it save on gas? Well, yeah... After you have plunked down the notable amount of money to buy an EV in an America where inflation is currently wrecking the small amount of money that most "Working Class..." Americans do make...

[numberthirty]

As for more specifics...

If this is what you come up with when you get this question? The idea that your "Experience..." problem has been solved? Yeah... Gimme a break with that nonsense. This is the exact sort of thing that they will be hitting you over the head with once you are actually running to be the man.

[CSTowle]

If this was a "Garden Variety..." administration?

I would probably tend to agree with you.

As it stands?

This is an administration that specifically ran on being the "Competent.." alternative.

Between that being the case, and the fact that everyone will most likely have a pretty recent memory of the issues that the supply chain caused come 2024?

(Never mind that it fumbled dealing with getting baby formula production back up to one hundred percent in a timely fashion)

I'd have to politely disagree. Anyone from this administration(and, honestly? Mayor Pete, in particular...) is going to be an issue.

I'd disagree that they ran foremost on "Competence and Comity" as they did "Not Trump" and the old standard "are you better off now than you were four years ago?" The competence thing was implied by the contrast to the guy looking to inject bleach or sunlight into our veins, when he wasn't being visibly envious of the pandemic specialist getting attention at his press conferences.

As to tone-deafness of asking folks to pony up for EVs (especially in this economy, with car prices being right up their with housing prices as far as inflation) I'd argue that it may not be the answer in the moment but it's a good thing to work towards.

You and I often criticize the centrist domination of the Party that usually keeps a "business as usual" small-c conservative agenda when it comes to green energy issues (and many others), but this is an example of promoting and building the infrastructure to support what I think we'd both also agree is a good move for society (even if only eventually).

As the end-all answer, it'd be a poor one. But as part of a package of initiatives I think it's a good thing, and as technology improves and becomes more mainstream we'll likely see a shift in at least a portion of drivers going that way. I wasn't around back in the '70s but the gas crisis then (much worse than what we have now) helped change our habits and taste in vehicles, and again in the late '90s when the ubiquitous SUV started to give way to smaller fuel-efficient vehicles as gas went from under a buck in many places to more of a price we were used to until recently.

I may not see feel like Mayor Pete's a sincere person, and likely would never vote for him outside of a least-worst situation (though goddamn if that isn't almost always the situation come every four years) but this isn't a knock on him in my book. Trying to play coy about Tesla doesn't help in the sincerity department though.