Thor Odinson, God of Thunder Appreciation 2022

[Frontier]

I know she's dead, I was wondering where Brunnhilde was in those preview pages, since the way Frontier worded made it sound like she's in 'em lol.

I meant in the sense of Sif talking about how great it is to have Runa back as Valkyrie even though she hasn't been around long enough for Sif to have any knowledge of her and they already have Jane, and it would make more sense if it had been Brunnhilde because Sif actually knew her.

But we got to push the synergy character.

Something she admitted to when she said she'd take over as queen if Thor doesn't do his job as a king lol.

Such a weird and unnecessary flex.

[Mantis-Ray]

I meant in the sense of Sif talking about how great it is to have Runa back as Valkyrie even though she hasn't been around long enough for Sif to have any knowledge of her and they already have Jane, and it would make more sense if it had been Brunnhilde because Sif actually knew her.

But we got to push the synergy character.

Such a weird and unnecessary flex.

I always find it hilarious how they made 2 separate distinct Valkyrie characters both based on the Tessa Thompson portrayal. One in the last run of Exiles, and one in the in the 616 setting in Mighty Valkyrie.

And yeah Angela is just kind of a huge prick whose thing is just be a casual *******. Like at least with Loki whenever he gets uppity Thor can call him out and give him a good wallop with his hammer whenever he crosses the line.

But with Angela it kind of feels like he can't say anything too mean to her even when she's being a total dick in return.

[Lukmendes]

I meant in the sense of Sif talking about how great it is to have Runa back as Valkyrie even though she hasn't been around long enough for Sif to have any knowledge of her and they already have Jane, and it would make more sense if it had been Brunnhilde because Sif actually knew her.

Oh so that's what Sif meant when she said "Welcome back Valkyrie. I do believe Asgard has missed you.", 'cause that line made me think Brunnhilde was there lol.

But we got to push the synergy character.

I wonder if Brunnhilde was killed to make room for her, for Jane, or for both lol.

With her and Jane being around though, Brunnhilde's death will very likely have a low priority about being undone, if it'll be undone at all.

I always find it hilarious how they made 2 separate distinct Valkyrie characters both based on the Tessa Thompson portrayal. One in the last run of Exiles, and one in the in the 616 setting in Mighty Valkyrie.

For whatever reason her introduction was actually in a tie-in to King in Black.

Seriously, you'd expect 'em to make a bigger deal out of adapting her to 616, but nope, it's in some tie-in lol.

And yeah Angela is just kind of a huge prick whose thing is just be a casual *******. Like at least with Loki whenever he gets uppity Thor can call him out and give him a good wallop with his hammer whenever he crosses the line.

But with Angela it kind of feels like he can't say anything too mean to her even when she's being a total dick in return.

Characters who get to be assholes and no one else gets to bite back can be so annoying lol.

[Kolwyr]

[Frontier]

At least they're not slighting Thor on a Superhero front in this movie.

[Mantis-Ray]

Oh so that's what Sif meant when she said "Welcome back Valkyrie. I do believe Asgard has missed you.", 'cause that line made me think Brunnhilde was there lol.



I wonder if Brunnhilde was killed to make room for her, for Jane, or for both lol.

With her and Jane being around though, Brunnhilde's death will very likely have a low priority about being undone, if it'll be undone at all.



For whatever reason her introduction was actually in a tie-in to King in Black.

Seriously, you'd expect 'em to make a bigger deal out of adapting her to 616, but nope, it's in some tie-in lol.



Characters who get to be assholes and no one else gets to bite back can be so annoying lol.

Its the issue with the whole long-lost sibling trope. We are hardwired to root against the new guy because they come in disrupting the whole established hierarchy for the main character. Like with Arno Stark as his existence comes with making Tony the second smartest sibling and also adopted at that.

Angela comes in as very disruptive and inorganic to the mythos especially with how she displaces Thor to a degree.

There's also the fact it highlights how meaningless blood ties can be. Like to use an example from another comic, the current Nightwing comic introduces a half-sister for Dick, Melinda who is the corrupt mayor of Bludhaven working under Blockbuster. Thats when you realize the blood relation is more to impede Dick than anything cause had she been someone completely unrelated to Dick, he would have no problem taking her down same as any other corrupt official. But the addition of the blood tie just makes an unnecessary complication cause Dick now thinks "Oh man this girl is actually related to me, this is gonna be tough dealing with her despite the fact she's a complete and total stranger to me"

Its similar with Angela as she is a huge total prick but she is given a level of undue unearned respect simply because she's technically a member of the family. Like its an annoying bit when she appeared in the Cates run a while ago that her framing alongside Freya is that the 2 are the stable competent members of the family while Thor and Odin's constant bickering frames them as more the dumb idiots of the family.

[Lukmendes]

Its the issue with the whole long-lost sibling trope. We are hardwired to root against the new guy because they come in disrupting the whole established hierarchy for the main character. Like with Arno Stark as his existence comes with making Tony the second smartest sibling and also adopted at that.

Angela comes in as very disruptive and inorganic to the mythos especially with how she displaces Thor to a degree.

And it's a problem if the character is disruptive for the sake of it and not doing much else.

Hell, if I didn't know Angela was a new character, what I saw of her in Cates' run issue#17, when both her and Freyja show up, they were both being overbearing and annoying, so that would make me think less of both of them, but then Freyja got to have a heart to heart with Thor to at least give her something else, while Angela, didn't do anything of the like, so she looks like the worst one even if I'm not thinking about her being a new character, because she's the most one dimensional one who's also pretty bitchy.

There's also the fact it highlights how meaningless blood ties can be. Like to use an example from another comic, the current Nightwing comic introduces a half-sister for Dick, Melinda who is the corrupt mayor of Bludhaven working under Blockbuster. Thats when you realize the blood relation is more to impede Dick than anything cause had she been someone completely unrelated to Dick, he would have no problem taking her down same as any other corrupt official. But the addition of the blood tie just makes an unnecessary complication cause Dick now thinks "Oh man this girl is actually related to me, this is gonna be tough dealing with her despite the fact she's a complete and total stranger to me"

Its similar with Angela as she is a huge total prick but she is given a level of undue unearned respect simply because she's technically a member of the family. Like its an annoying bit when she appeared in the Cates run a while ago that her framing alongside Freya is that the 2 are the stable competent members of the family while Thor and Odin's constant bickering frames them as more the dumb idiots of the family.

I wasn't even aware of Dick's half-sister lol.

And yeah, I already find blood relations to be overrated by default, characters putting too much importance on it with a character they barely know who's also not friendly, eh, miss me with that ****...

[Mantis-Ray]

And it's a problem if the character is disruptive for the sake of it and not doing much else.

Hell, if I didn't know Angela was a new character, what I saw of her in Cates' run issue#17, when both her and Freyja show up, they were both being overbearing and annoying, so that would make me think less of both of them, but then Freyja got to have a heart to heart with Thor to at least give her something else, while Angela, didn't do anything of the like, so she looks like the worst one even if I'm not thinking about her being a new character, because she's the most one dimensional one who's also pretty bitchy.



I wasn't even aware of Dick's half-sister lol.

And yeah, I already find blood relations to be overrated by default, characters putting too much importance on it with a character they barely know who's also not friendly, eh, miss me with that ****...

Funny thing about Angela, she had a love interest in her series Sera of whom she got married to at the end of her third one Queen of Hel. But since in-between appearances Marvel broke them up with the apparent bit being that Sera dumped her for whatever reason.

So like father like daughter, Odin got dumped by his wife and Angela got dumped by hers. She ain't any better than daddy, and at least Odin can up to his bullshit with the fact everything he did was genuinely for the best of everyone. Meanwhile Angela is just a mercenary who only cares about pay and largely doesn't care about anyone or anything else.

[Frontier]

Its the issue with the whole long-lost sibling trope. We are hardwired to root against the new guy because they come in disrupting the whole established hierarchy for the main character. Like with Arno Stark as his existence comes with making Tony the second smartest sibling and also adopted at that.

Angela comes in as very disruptive and inorganic to the mythos especially with how she displaces Thor to a degree.

There's also the fact it highlights how meaningless blood ties can be. Like to use an example from another comic, the current Nightwing comic introduces a half-sister for Dick, Melinda who is the corrupt mayor of Bludhaven working under Blockbuster. Thats when you realize the blood relation is more to impede Dick than anything cause had she been someone completely unrelated to Dick, he would have no problem taking her down same as any other corrupt official. But the addition of the blood tie just makes an unnecessary complication cause Dick now thinks "Oh man this girl is actually related to me, this is gonna be tough dealing with her despite the fact she's a complete and total stranger to me"

Its similar with Angela as she is a huge total prick but she is given a level of undue unearned respect simply because she's technically a member of the family. Like its an annoying bit when she appeared in the Cates run a while ago that her framing alongside Freya is that the 2 are the stable competent members of the family while Thor and Odin's constant bickering frames them as more the dumb idiots of the family.

I feel like this has been the slant of the franchise ever since the Jane era.

Like, I'm all for female empowerment, it just seems like people's idea of strong female characters usually ends up treating Thor badly.

[Mantis-Ray]

I feel like this has been the slant of the franchise ever since the Jane era.

Like, I'm all for female empowerment, it just seems like people's idea of strong female characters usually ends up treating Thor badly.

Yeah its a reoccurring problem with how women tend to be written. Writers tend to fall under the trap that good female writing is to make them girlbosses and demean characters around them. Black Panther undergoes similar crap where he is regularly demeaned by the women around him.

If you turn it on its other shoe, its like if Janet Van Dyne the first Wasp was turned into a dumb goober who constantly looks bad and has to be rescued so her successor Hope Pym/Wasp 2 can look better. Or Hell Carol is basically Marvel's star girl right? Imagine if they did the whole unworthy arc with her, Carol gets depowered, gets constantly humiliated, is basically a pathetic loser for a long stretch of time all to prop up another character even if said character is a woman.

Imagine how that would be received. Imagine how much **** they would get if they subject half the **** they give to male characters like Thor, Black Panther, and Spider-Man to a female character. Its just not dignified and there is a leniency to how female characters are portrayed that people just aren't ready for.

[Mantis-Ray]

On another note, I just found this scene from Angela: Queen of Hell

Angela.jpg

Bor: "What whorespawn slattern is this? Depraved whelp that slithered from the legs of [NOPE, TOO GROSS, SORRY] . [A LOT OF MISOGYNIST FILTH] [RED PILL M.R.A. MENINIST CASUAL RACISM] [UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ON ISRAEL???]"

I always hated these jokes and characterizations with the Asgardians because they very much rely on the idea that anything old is sexist. Vikings are an old culture so that means they must have been hugely sexist which is a pretty stale and uncreative joke.

And its actually kinda false. Recent discoveries have stated that women in Viking society actually enjoyed good deal of freedom and power in their communities. So logically the Viking Gods shouldn't be this extremally sexist.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I feel like this has been the slant of the franchise ever since the Jane era.

Like, I'm all for female empowerment, it just seems like people's idea of strong female characters usually ends up treating Thor badly.

Alternatively, Marvel could just get off their damn ass and create some super strong female characters who don't owe their origins to men

How are we in 2022 and this is still a thing Marvel hasn't done?

[Frontier]

Alternatively, Marvel could just get off their damn ass and create some super strong female characters who don't owe their origins to men

How are we in 2022 and this is still a thing Marvel hasn't done?

Probably because they can just diminish the males in the origin as much as they can .

[Lukmendes]

Funny thing about Angela, she had a love interest in her series Sera of whom she got married to at the end of her third one Queen of Hel. But since in-between appearances Marvel broke them up with the apparent bit being that Sera dumped her for whatever reason.

After the whole nonsense about how Angela changed Sera's life, how they know each other so well, they broke up? Was it offscreen too? Lol.

Imagine how that would be received. Imagine how much **** they would get if they subject half the **** they give to male characters like Thor, Black Panther, and Spider-Man to a female character. Its just not dignified and there is a leniency to how female characters are portrayed that people just aren't ready for.

Spidey doesn't have that happening as much with him since Spider-Verse (So about 7 years ago), there were still cases like this, but it wasn't only with women, his case it's more like, Marvel fucks him up 'cause they think it's what sells, which's why ASM vol 6 by Wells is angst porn.

On another note, I just found this scene from Angela: Queen of Hell

Angela.jpg

Bor: "What whorespawn slattern is this? Depraved whelp that slithered from the legs of [NOPE, TOO GROSS, SORRY] . [A LOT OF MISOGYNIST FILTH] [RED PILL M.R.A. MENINIST CASUAL RACISM] [UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ON ISRAEL???]"

Oh so that's where this is from, and I always thought the "censored" bits were a sarcastic edit, it certainly looks like it lol.

I always hated these jokes and characterizations with the Asgardians because they very much rely on the idea that anything old is sexist. Vikings are an old culture so that means they must have been hugely sexist which is a pretty stale and uncreative joke.

And its actually kinda false. Recent discoveries have stated that women in Viking society actually enjoyed good deal of freedom and power in their communities. So logically the Viking Gods shouldn't be this extremally sexist.

Even if it's not historically accurate, a lot of times they change a character's characterization for the sake of making a point, like it's a fanfiction written by a 12 year old.

Plus, Asgardians influenced vikings but they aren't vikings, that's another reason to not really care about historical accuracy and have Asgard's culture be its own thing lol.

Probably because they can just diminish the males in the origin as much as they can .

Ah yes, like Car-El lol.

Seriously, why did they think that was a good idea?

[Mantis-Ray]

After the whole nonsense about how Angela changed Sera's life, how they know each other so well, they broke up? Was it offscreen too? Lol.



Spidey doesn't have that happening as much with him since Spider-Verse (So about 7 years ago), there were still cases like this, but it wasn't only with women, his case it's more like, Marvel fucks him up 'cause they think it's what sells, which's why ASM vol 6 by Wells is angst porn.



Oh so that's where this is from, and I always thought the "censored" bits were a sarcastic edit, it certainly looks like it lol.



Even if it's not historically accurate, a lot of times they change a character's characterization for the sake of making a point, like it's a fanfiction written by a 12 year old.

Plus, Asgardians influenced vikings but they aren't vikings, that's another reason to not really care about historical accuracy and have Asgard's culture be its own thing lol.



Ah yes, like Car-El lol.

Seriously, why did they think that was a good idea?

Oh yeah with Spider-Man the legacy thing doesn't really apply, I meant more the general thing of turning his life into an absolute crapshoot where he never wins and everyone is constantly mad at him.

Yeah this is where page of Angela against Bor is from and its not edited. All that is the actual dialogue in the book. I'm starting to see why the book got canceled, at first I thought it was a 7 issue mini-series but then I found an article announcing it was being cancelled. So Queen of Hell was intended to be an ongoing that got cancelled early. Weirdly enough from what I hear it was more of a meta-story for some reason with even fourth-wall breaking like in issue 6 it references the writer, its own comic and other comics directly within the book.

Its rather interesting this ended in 2016 and Angela has not had any ongoing or self-titled mini-series since being relegated to team books like Asgardians of the Galaxy and Strikeforce none of which lasted much longer either. Considering the hype she got when she first arrived I guess the self-titled series was more for Anegla to just establish herself in the MU.

The fact they broke up her and Sera offscreen gives greater indication that they don't really care about her that much anymore.

Is Car-El Carol Danvers Kree sister from her new backstory reveal?