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    Krakoa is not my favorite era of the X-Men, but I like it and I prefer it greatly to them endlessly trying to copy previous era's for the thousandth time. Its also way better than anything produced since the early 90's. It shook things up, at least temporarily got the franchise out of the constant state of depressing murder-porn its been stuck in since Morisson blew up Genosha. It's characters have been far less OOC than Morisson's and it has utilized (fairly well for the most part) more characters from more era's than have ever been done. Finally, the shake up produced Sinister's Hellion's, which was an absolute gem of a comic.

    The only real complaint I have is that too many important details happened off-screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron of Faltine View Post
    Yeah, albeit to be honest the x-school was not that much present in late 80s and most of 90s. At the best was a school only nominally being more like a military base of sort for X related mutants. But between the outback, inferno operation zero tollerance, fall of mutants, saving shi ar butt's and onslaught, they passed more time on blackbird than at the school....
    And now a question arise in my mind I wished it would not. Do blackbirds have big enough toilets on board? How comfy are blackbirds chairs? Is there a mini fridge?
    I have to assume Logan would never step foot on a blackbird if there wasn't a mini fridge stocked with beer.
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    So the consensus is that the past 30 odd years have been crap. What was their last good event? The Onslaught Saga? I hated Jean dying, so anything without her was meh. It was fkd up because 2000 was when the X-Men had a lot more media presence. She was included in that though, but Jean shouldn't be dead and MIA.

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    I loved Messiah Complex and Second Coming crossovers it was only AvX the thing that put a bad taste on that era for me, because it took the X-men out of their own story to push up Avengers popularity.

    I like the Krakoaīs era potential, itīs not my favorite but I like what it can be done with it and a better characterization definitely can help to enrich the concept and the era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force de Phenix View Post
    So the consensus is that the past 30 odd years have been crap. What was their last good event? The Onslaught Saga? I hated Jean dying, so anything without her was meh. It was fkd up because 2000 was when the X-Men had a lot more media presence. She was included in that though, but Jean shouldn't be dead and MIA.
    Beyond Morrison? For the most part yes. Some other good stops inbetween, but majority was drivel.

    Think of the possibilities if the Inhumans and X-Men had fully crossed with the mutants current state as opposed to what we had before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force de Phenix View Post
    So the consensus is that the past 30 odd years have been crap. What was their last good event? The Onslaught Saga? I hated Jean dying, so anything without her was meh. It was fkd up because 2000 was when the X-Men had a lot more media presence. She was included in that though, but Jean shouldn't be dead and MIA.
    Like Lucyinthesky, I really enjoyed Messiah Complex and Second Coming also. But that whole era was very dark and sad imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbenito View Post
    Like Lucyinthesky, I really enjoyed Messiah Complex and Second Coming also. But that whole era was very dark and sad imo.
    Yeah, Marvel was building up mutant extinction since they did the Days of Future Past story in the 80's, and it kinda came into fruition. The whole feared and hated thing was their shtick, and Messiah Complex, etc. played with that, but I think they wanted to make comics dark because the Avengers were kinda the same. It was death, destruction, and in-fighting. They aren't doing anything special now either. It's not like Marvel wrote better Avengers stories, except for their Hickman era, like for the Fantastic Four. Civil War was trash, and so was Civil War II.

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    Yes marvel needs to stop de-constructing their heros and show why they are heros still, what do they care about and why itīs important for them to fight the good fight, they donīt need to go back to the black and white characterization, they can be shown with complex motivations but after so many stories of them fighting each other, a story in which they unite and fight together would be nice. For this reason I am enjoying Death of Dr Strange as a story and liked the participation of Illyana and the X-men and I hope to see new stories like that in which they just decide to unite and help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Alpha View Post
    Nope. Sounds like you're due to a re-read (or first read) of HoX/P10.
    When does Moira approach Xavier? It appears to be prior to Xavier forming the X-Men. And yes, I read both HoX and PoX.

    Magneto is approached later, sometime after X-Men #150 with Magneto’s Cthulian island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian B View Post
    When does Moira approach Xavier? It appears to be prior to Xavier forming the X-Men. And yes, I read both HoX and PoX.

    Magneto is approached later, sometime after X-Men #150 with Magneto’s Cthulian island.
    Moira approached Xavier on his student years, yes, but Moiraīs diary showed she had a hard time convincing him and later Magneto of the plan she had, in fact she expressely said she had to "break" Xavier to make him try it her own way. So I think most of X-men story was genuine, Xavier was genuinely trying to built a coexistence initiative with the X-men while Moira mostlyworked on her own in her island and there was an alliance with Magneto when he joined the X-men but also a separation later until Utopia were Magneto rejoined the X-men.

    Itīs still a retcon, so not everything clics together and I think it needs more work characterwise with Moira because she definitely was a different person before Krakoa but I can see why after the events of Age of X-man in which there was worldwide persecution of mutants, Xavier would try it Moiraīs way.
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    The way it is now, Xavier had his dream of coexistence and he legitimately fought for it for many years, but he also had this backup plan the whole time in case the dream failed which he has now put into effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunofdarkchild View Post
    The way it is now, Xavier had his dream of coexistence and he legitimately fought for it for many years, but he also had this backup plan the whole time in case the dream failed which he has now put into effect.
    Agreed thatīs how I see it and in this context, I understand why Jean and Scott decided to go back to NY, rebuilt the X-men and try their own way again and Xavier agreeds and supports this idea, I donīt think the writers are picturing this as a zero sum game in which you either have Krakoa or X-men at NY, you can try to have both approaches, each one with their positives and negatives to try to get to a genuine coexistence.

    My main problem with this era itīs just the general characterization has not been good, with a few exceptions, because not everything makes sense for the characters as they used to be, but thatīs another discussion
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    My current bet is that Jean/the current X-Men are the ones who get narrated into taking us back to the mansion.

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    I'm certainly enjoying the Krakoa era. It has great story potential. That said I think the x-office kinda wrote itself into a corner by putting many major former villains into the same place as the x-men. It would have been fine, great even, if they delved deeper into the machinations and schemes of various factions within Krakoa, more specifically within QC but until now they haven't done a very good job with that. This may all change with Immortal X-men. It's the book I'm most looking forward to and to me it has the biggest potential of them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucyinthesky View Post
    Moira approached Xavier on his student years, yes, but Moiraīs diary showed she had a hard time convincing him and later Magneto of the plan she had, in fact she expressely said she had to "break" Xavier to make him try it her own way. So I think most of X-men story was genuine, Xavier was genuinely trying to built a coexistence initiative with the X-men while Moira mostlyworked on her own in her island and there was an alliance with Magneto when he joined the X-men but also a separation later until Utopia were Magneto rejoined the X-men.

    Itīs still a retcon, so not everything clics together and I think it needs more work characterwise with Moira because she definitely was a different person before Krakoa but I can see why after the events of Age of X-man in which there was worldwide persecution of mutants, Xavier would try it Moiraīs way.
    Also, Moira's diaries sort of implies her revelations and manipulations led to Onslaught.

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