I miss the old Moira

[Lukmendes]

Do people use so many double hyphens in journals?

It's a thing from 1000 years in the future man, you wouldn't understand .

She wasnt in hiding at any point before her "death" in Dreams End. I dont think they really explained why she went into hiding

As far as I'm aware, they didn't, her journal entry only says she went into hiding because she's too active and could be at risk.

Can't even say that this is a point she died before and she left a golem to die in her place, life 4 seems to be pretty close to usual 616 and she lived until after AvX.

The way it's worded sounds like simple paranoia though, which I guess is fair enough.

Also I noticed a small plot hole, on the journal entry I posted, Moira mentions the golem has her memories that were backed up by Cerebro, while in X-Deaths of Wolverine#4, Xavier says her memories weren't backed up at all:



I'm not sure why that was mentioned, it adds nothing because what Moira cares is getting her X-Gene back, and Immortal X-Men makes that somewhat redundant because Sinister has many clones of her.

Then again, having Moira's memories stored there could be a huge advantage for Krakoa, and this throwaway line can make sure no one can use her memories, well, besides Sinister, but so far he only cares to use her clones as a save state.

[Zelena]

Do people use so many double hyphens in journals?

It's a thing from 1000 years in the future man, you wouldn't understand .

More a thing of the past, when secretaries couldn’t do em dashes — and did --.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Forge: My gun depowers only, with no reversals!

Except ya know, Storm. And Wolfsbane.

2/3s of the people hit with it had their powers returned, and UI don't know if Termite was ever restored.

Maybe Forge needs to invent math?

[Grunty]

Forge: My gun depowers only, with no reversals!

Except ya know, Storm. And Wolfsbane.

2/3s of the people hit with it had their powers returned, and UI don't know if Termite was ever restored.

Maybe Forge needs to invent math?

It's a real weird choice indeed. Did the writer not do his research and only knew of a depowering gun, without ever learning that it's effect have been reversed twice?

Though we have to keep in mind that it seems the X-office still wants depowering to be serious business, despite both the effect of Forge's gun and Wanda's "No More Mutants" having been shown to be reversible, the later even with like a dozen different methods (exceptional methods but none impossible to replicate in mass via the tools Hickman gave this nation).

And yet it seems the current rule is that the only via to reverse depowering is full blown death of the original and creating a "healthy" clone body which the memories of the deceased are then downloaded into, despite having reality warpers and physical gods at their disposale together with nano-organism based super tech.

[Lukmendes]

More a thing of the past, when secretaries couldn’t do em dashes — and did --.

Guess Moira wasn't a good secretary in some life .

Forge: My gun depowers only, with no reversals!

Except ya know, Storm. And Wolfsbane.

2/3s of the people hit with it had their powers returned, and UI don't know if Termite was ever restored.

Maybe Forge needs to invent math?

Did those depowers happen in the Krakoa era itself? Though probably not, I do remember that back in the 80's Storm got depowered, was that from Forge's gun?

It's a real weird choice indeed. Did the writer not do his research and only knew of a depowering gun, without ever learning that it's effect have been reversed twice?

To be fair, Hickman himself talked about the gun like it depowers people permanently in X-Men#20 vol 5 and Inferno#4 vol 2, even has the overly dramatic waste of space with "The Death of Moira X" double splash pages in Inferno#4, Percy is just following what Hickman implied.

And well, wouldn't be the first time Hickman ignores something from the past to make a specific story work, just look at Moira herself lol.

Though we have to keep in mind that it seems the X-office still wants depowering to be serious business, despite both the effect of Forge's gun and Wanda's "No More Mutants" having been shown to be reversible, the later even with like a dozen different methods (exceptional methods but none impossible to replicate in mass via the tools Hickman gave this nation).

And yet it seems the current rule is that the only via to reverse depowering is full blown death of the original and creating a "healthy" clone body which the memories of the deceased are then downloaded into, despite having reality warpers and physical gods at their disposale together with nano-organism based super tech.

Not to mention a billion healing ****, but none of them can somehow re-activate the X-Gene, and it's even sillier in Percy's X-Factor, where Domino looks like a Frankenstein's monster after being tortured, what, they can't restore someone's body to not look like ****? Lol.

Well, as far as I've read she looked like that, maybe she got restored, but it's just weird they couldn't have done it ASAP.

[Fridays]

I like this moria. Found the old one to long suffering

[Frontier]

I like this moria. Found the old one to long suffering

Now it's just a new kind of suffering...

[HeartofTheStoriesWeTell]

Percy's X-Factor, where Domino looks like a Frankenstein's monster after being tortured, what, they can't restore someone's body to not look like ****? Lol..

there was a time when that would be "elixir waves his hand and it is fine" and that was BEFORE he could bring the dead back

[Jv565]

I like this moria. Found the old one to long suffering

I liked her before she went inexplicably evil.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I liked her before she went inexplicably evil.

Same. She was a rare good parent in Marvel, until...

[Lukmendes]

Now it's just a new kind of suffering...

Since her characterization and personality being inconsistent are the only thing she has left, I want her to run a circus someday, maybe have the Hulk join it too, he did join the circus in Avengers#1 .

I also think it could be funny if she became a porn star, just so she can use "Moira XXX" as a stage name .

there was a time when that would be "elixir waves his hand and it is fine" and that was BEFORE he could bring the dead back

He's too busy resurrecting Kenny Omega for the 500th time to waste his time healing Domino man.

Same. She was a rare good parent in Marvel, until...

Clearly Marvel made Moira evil to correct that .

[Grinning Soul]

Clearly Marvel made Moira evil to correct that :p.

Oh, you... :D

That made me laugh. Thank you! :D

[LordUltimus]

spoilers:

Well, I guess she at least didn't skin MJ...

end of spoilers

[Saithor]

I honestly can’t name what I dislike more, the fact that Moira is this stupid evil robot or the fact that now Spencer is gone and outside that one great moment that was the Mary Jane/Black Cat crossover she’s back to being a marvel punching block

[Lukmendes]

Oh, you... =D

That made me laugh. Thank you!

After today's Gala, I wonder if my comment would make you laugh again, 'cause it definitely aged well .

spoilers:

Well, I guess she at least didn't skin MJ...

end of spoilers

Who knows? She could've spoilers:

skinned MJ anyways after she came back .

end of spoilers

I honestly can’t name what I dislike more, the fact that Moira is this stupid evil robot or the fact that now Spencer is gone and outside that one great moment that was the Mary Jane/Black Cat crossover she’s back to being a marvel punching block

Honestly, considering Wells was a Brand New Day writer, it's not that surprising.

Even in early Beyond there were hints that he still disrespects MJ, but current ASM makes it obvious.

Also man, it's funny they're just making Moira more evil over time, she's so cartoonish evil that her eyes shine red now, what else will they do afterwards? Maybe they'll put some spikes on her robot body for her to look more evil too, and maybe reveal that she spent early life 10 eating mutant babies, 'cause it is getting sillier somehow.

What was even her plan when invading Gala anyways? I have a guess that she at least tried to do something to mess with Proteus' power, but if not, was her great plan to just go there, talk **** to him, hope that makes him super sad then leave? And also hope nobody stops her on the way out? 'Cause if someone like Lorna noticed that "necklace" her plans would've ended immediately lol.