I miss the old Moira

[Alan2099]

Remember, under this retcon, Moira could have ended the Age of Apocalypse anytime she wanted to.

Once Apocalypse started nuking countries and reduced the population of Japan to single digits, she could have just went "Well, enough of of that," and eaten a bullet.

[Rift]

Remember, under this retcon, Moira could have ended the Age of Apocalypse anytime she wanted to.

Once Apocalypse started nuking countries and reduced the population of Japan to single digits, she could have just went "Well, enough of of that," and eaten a bullet.

Wasn't she under the impression that this was possibly her last life? In that case, it makes sense that she wouldn't off herself then; she never completed her lives' goal or learned how to fix everything.

[LordUltimus]

Well, that just raises the question as to how time travel works, especially considering the AoA timeline still existed as an alternate timeline.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Well, that just raises the question as to how time travel works, especially considering the AoA timeline still existed as an alternate timeline.

I've said this before, but it's damn annoying how they treat some of these characters as all knowing.

Destiny knows everything now, even though in her first appearance, she would have caused the worst freakin' future ever.

[LordUltimus]

I've said this before, but it's damn annoying how they treat some of these characters as all knowing.

Destiny knows everything now, even though in her first appearance, she would have caused the worst freakin' future ever.

In fairness, Immortal X-Men has been driving the point that Destiny can't perfectly predict the future.

[gonnagiveittoya]

I think we're getting...not original pre HOXPOX Moira, but a "good" Moira back in Sins of Sinister. Someone will wake one up, kill her so she gets sent back and can warn everyone about this before it ever gets out of hand

[LordUltimus]

I think we're getting...not original pre HOXPOX Moira, but a "good" Moira back in Sins of Sinister. Someone will wake one up, kill her so she gets sent back and can warn everyone about this before it ever gets out of hand

That's not really Moira though, anymore than Ben Reily is Peter Parker.

[gonnagiveittoya]

True, but it'd be a way to get a pro-mutant Moira back in the picture. I think getting her back to pre-HoxPox is basically not possible but getting one who's a mutant ally back would be something

[LordUltimus]

True, but it'd be a way to get a pro-mutant Moira back in the picture. I think getting her back to pre-HoxPox is basically not possible but getting one who's a mutant ally back would be something

Hey, remember back when Vision was confirmed to have two separate origins for his body that both existed simultaneously and the closest to an explanation we got was "Kang did it"?

It's time travel, they can make up any **** they want.

[gonnagiveittoya]

With the Immortal previews, there's a chance we may be getting spoilers:

Teen Moira

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[The Cool Thatguy]

Hey, remember back when Vision was confirmed to have two separate origins for his body that both existed simultaneously and the closest to an explanation we got was "Kang did it"?

It's time travel, they can make up any **** they want.

That wasn't 'the closest we got'.

The issue was clearly explained in Avengers Forever, Immortus used a plot devise to tie two timelines together.

Moira's crap, and much like it, is what's been handwaved

[LordUltimus]

That wasn't 'the closest we got'.

The issue was clearly explained in Avengers Forever, Immortus used a plot devise to tie two timelines together.

Moira's crap, and much like it, is what's been handwaved

That's not really much clearer? If anything, it shows more how it could apply to Moira!

[The Cool Thatguy]

That's not really much clearer? If anything, it shows more how it could apply to Moira!

The issue was pretty clear, was my point. The 'physics' and internal logic was pretty consistent

Moira is not. She is nothing more than a plot devise, meant to give weight to Hickman's retcons without him putting in a fraction of the work Kurt Buseik did with Avengers Forever and thus, generates needless confusion.

[Houseofhick]

I've said this before, but it's damn annoying how they treat some of these characters as all knowing.

Destiny knows everything now, even though in her first appearance, she would have caused the worst freakin' future ever.

Or she could of been the cause and solution at the same time and she knew that.

[Houseofhick]

That's not really Moira though, anymore than Ben Reily is Peter Parker.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they turn round and say the Moira we all knew before HOXPOX was just a clone.