(Sorry for the veer "Off Topic...", but that particular point gets incredibly old...)
(Sorry for the veer "Off Topic...", but that particular point gets incredibly old...)
The alternate reality created by The Flash where Bruce is dead and Batman is his dad and the Joker his mom? That reality has the "main" Wonder Woman?
I'm not pretending to do anything and I never said DC has done no wrong to Wonder Woman in the past, I literally asked for an example of how she has been treated worse than Hal Jordan since that was the cards he was dealt with. Nothing I asked was dishonest. I don't understand people who love to play these little games of trying to twist the other person's words and use them against them in attempt to paint their argument as disingenuous. It's odd.
That's not a continuity issue, she rarely ever had legacy no matter the timeline. There were never 4 other Wonder Women running around next to her to try to prop up at her expense.
Flashpoint is an alternate future that was undid in a few months. The Wonder Woman in that story is an alternate take, not the "real" Wonder Woman in the main continuity. The Hal Jordan they turned into a psychotic murderer wasn't an alternate future version, it was the "real" version who first appeared in Showcase 22 and had been in regular publication since.
Neither was Diana conceived that way, nor did the New-52 Amazons origin stuck around long after Azzarrello left. In what way is that comparable to the way DC wrote off Hal and brought in Kyle to replace him with?
I find the notion of, say, 90s DC turning Wonder Woman into a villain and permanently replacing her with a new character to be just as laughable as I would find it today, with or without the 2017 movie. She is the only female character DC has to be considered a cultural icon, makes no logical sense business-wise to do anything even remotely similar to her no matter the management or circumstance. Now look what happened to Hal in the latest GL animated movie the second DC changed management.
Don't need him to become a Trinity member but if he was he'd keep getting chances after chances instead of being labeled box office poison after one single movie whose failure had nothing to do with who the MC was and animated series that got shitcanned because of it. I mean you don't actually think Wonder Woman would've been labeled as box office poison and WB would've started painting her as the butt of all the jokes if the movie failed, do you.
Last edited by Johnny; 12-05-2022 at 03:01 PM.
Well, it gets complicated setting the "Wildstorm..." corner off to the side.
Near as I can tell?
That current "WildC.A.T.S." title is in continuity, and they seem to be mentioning Seven Soldiers Of Victory in the title's solicits.
So, the title seems like it is absolutely taking place in the current DCU and there's that "Seven Soldiers Of Victory..." angle. Get the feeling that they go "In the DCU..."/"Pretty Well Self-Contained...", but it's hard telling.
I'm gonna say a new Aquamen type book (basically just starring Jackson and Arthur) dealing with the fallout of Monkey Prince and Lazarus Planet. Because the essential part of those stories are basically "hey those man eating fish monsters that reside in the dark part of the oceans? Yeah they've figured out how to come to land via Lazarus Resin and selective half-breed spys who are hiding amongst the surface dwellers."
Feel like that would be a plot that Aquamen would tackle.
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In addition to the ones people have already said:
Shawn Martinbrough was teasing a Red Hood mini a few months, so that's probably a Dawn of DC title now.
I wonder if we will get a Legacy League book. A few months ago I would have said that was a given, but according to Newsarama (and the Nightwing #101 solicit) the Titans are the ones replacing the Justice League so I'm not sure. Maybe the Titans were the Legacy League all along and Johns was just trolling us in Flashpoint Beyond.
The Dawn of DC covers seem to be teasing a Teen Titans team (or some equivalent) with Flatline, Stitch and Red Canary. I'm guessing Damian will be there too. Maybe Monkey Prince and Sideways as well?
I think, or at least I hope, DC will try to give a female non-WW non-Gotham character a solo again. I think Supergirl, Zatanna, Raven or Starfire are characters who could conceivably get one.
LOSH is part of Johns' New Golden Age so I don't think it will be counted as a Dawn of DC book. Same thing with the Wildstorm books.
I think Jeremy Adams and Williamson said other people had dibs on Barry and Kyle. Maybe a Barry mini and a Green Lantern Corps book?
Last edited by Leancarp900; 12-06-2022 at 03:17 AM.
Yeah, they’re definitely a part of the DCU now. They’ve been rebooted to fit what passes for DC’s current “continuity”.
Interestingly, Authority characters like Apollo and Midnighter have alluded to events set in their original Earth as if they had taken place on Earth-0, but that hasn’t been mentioned since Morrison’s Superman & the Authority mini (probably for a good reason, because it makes no sense).
I don’t think Newsarama has any inside information on the Titans/Legacy League thing, it felt like speculation. My worry is that they’ll fold the 5G legacies into the Titans like they did in DCOIE, which is the last thing the team needs. They need to move away from the perception that they’re only former sidekicks and legacies. Adding even more to an already bloated franchise would be awful.
I could see that Teen Titans book happening, even if I’m not sure I’d care for it. I’d rather get a real attempt at a Young Justice (let’s ignore Bendis and Fitzmartin’s “efforts”), but I admit it’s very unlikely.
As for a new female centric book, I think Zatanna, Vixen and Black Canary should all get their shots again. Especially Vixen. She should get a big push. Her last mini with the Global Guardians was fun, but it suffered from a terrible digital format and even worse marketing.
I think any new book coming out next year that’s part of the DCU will probably count as Dawn of DC. They’re supposedly rebuilding their line, so it makes sense to include all books. I really really hope we get a decent LOSH book. And that the Stormwatch line-up is revised to something more interesting.
I'm no fan of Bendis; but he did do one thing right: he brought back Young Justice. If not for him, we'd still be languishing in the aftermath of Lobdell's Teen Titans.
But yeah. As things stand right now, I'm 99% sure that if a new YJ series were to be greenlit, Fitzmartin would be in charge of it. So paradoxically, I'm hoping we don't get a YJ series; not until the creative “talent” at DC has some turnover and we have more decent writers to choose from.
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Yeah, if Bendis YJ hadn't happened, Cassie would've probably still had the Silent Armor in Trial of the Amazons and Dark Crisis. And that's best left forgotten. And Conner would likely be outright missing.
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Last edited by Gaelforce; 12-15-2022 at 05:37 PM.
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