The CW is being sold - end of an era?

[Witchfan]

I watch Nancy Drew. Does that show get any kind of ratings?

[Kirby101]

This is why I think the Arrowverse is done and the new owners, who own a large percent of the CW channels around the country, will move to programming that is cheaper to make. They need content on their channels to get viewers for advertising, but they can't spend more on it than it will make.

[GOLGO 13]

A good first step.

The DC shows they produced ranged from Meh to Cringe.

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Seems like Warner/Paramount are looking to dump a loser network on some suckers.

Wait, you mean WOKE superheros...failed? Oh No! Anyway...

[Noodle]

Wait, you mean WOKE superheros...failed? Oh No! Anyway...

Wait, you mean 10 years straight of programing is a failure? Oh No! Anyway...

[Kirby101]

The CW was before HBOMax and AT&T and Warner moving to streaming in a big way. The CW no longer fits their game plan. Has nothing to do with woke, please just stop this inane, kneejerk reaction.
The Arrowverse was a success, Full Stop! They would not keep creating new shows if it weren't.

[phonogram12]

Wait, you mean 10 years straight of programing is a failure? Oh No! Anyway...

#Accurate.

10 characters.

[Godzilla2099]

It's because the show has a female lead who is a lesbian, and now for season two they added a woman of color to that...not really much whether the show is actually any good or not...

No, the gender/race shield won't work on this. Batwoman fails because its beyond cringe. I felt literal pain watching this show it was so bad.

The trailer for season 1 chased me away but I was a fan of Batwoman in the comics so I decided to give the series a try when the new actress joined. Here's a snippet of what this show is like:

I remember this one episode where someone impersonating Bruce Wayne (I couldn't remember if it was Clayface or Hush). Evil Bruce Wayne was chasing Batwoman with the Batmobile while Batwoman was driving a run down Mystery Machine Van. Even though the Batmobile had advanced targeting systems and state of the art weaponry, Batwoman was able to evade those attacks and get away.

Then there was this other episode where she was talking to Lucius Fox about how she earned the right to wear the costume because her "life has been so hard"....what the hell?

Take these really bad stories, put in some Lake Placid vs Anaconda level acting (but that movie is so bad its good), and add some of the worst fights I have ever seen and you can kind of understand why Batwoman earns these reviews.

I thought I had it bad being a fan of Cassandra Cain, but I genuinely sympathize for the Kathy Kane fans more.

[Scott Taylor]

Hmmm. Well they had a good run. Most of the shows started off really well in the first and second years, then started to drag.

Still more successful than any of Marvel's ongoing stuff. Marvel ended up completely switching to limited series with higher production values instead. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the DC characters get the same kind of treatment, as a turnabout is fairplay type of deal.

[LoganAlpha30X33]

No, the gender/race shield won't work on this. Batwoman fails because its beyond cringe. I felt literal pain watching this show it was so bad.

The trailer for season 1 chased me away but I was a fan of Batwoman in the comics so I decided to give the series a try when the new actress joined. Here's a snippet of what this show is like:

I remember this one episode where someone impersonating Bruce Wayne (I couldn't remember if it was Clayface or Hush). Evil Bruce Wayne was chasing Batwoman with the Batmobile while Batwoman was driving a run down Mystery Machine Van. Even though the Batmobile had advanced targeting systems and state of the art weaponry, Batwoman was able to evade those attacks and get away.

Then there was this other episode where she was talking to Lucius Fox about how she earned the right to wear the costume because her "life has been so hard"....what the hell?

Take these really bad stories, put in some Lake Placid vs Anaconda level acting (but that movie is so bad its good), and add some of the worst fights I have ever seen and you can kind of understand why Batwoman earns these reviews.

I thought I had it bad being a fan of Cassandra Cain, but I genuinely sympathize for the Kathy Kane fans more.

I was only saying that the reasons that I gave were why it hadn't been cancelled yet. I wasn't saying that it was a good show or that it shouldn't be cancelled...

[Anarchist]

The CW was before HBOMax and AT&T and Warner moving to streaming in a big way. The CW no longer fits their game plan. Has nothing to do with woke, please just stop this inane, kneejerk reaction.
The Arrowverse was a success, Full Stop! They would not keep creating new shows if it weren't.

Word. I was hoping at least around here, I would be able to avoid these "Anti-SJW" type of nonsensical comments.

[KabutoRyder]

Is this the end of superheroes on broadcast TV I wonder, once Flash mercifully limps to the finish line and however long Legends goes (I think its done this season or at the most next) and how Naomi does.

Not for any sorta doom and gloom forecast of the super hero bubble (which will burst at SOME point) but just because as someone said earlier, streaming and streaming content was not a huge thing when the Arrowverse started and now it is, so shows will go there for the bigger budget, production values, etc

[Powerboy]

The CW was before HBOMax and AT&T and Warner moving to streaming in a big way. The CW no longer fits their game plan. Has nothing to do with woke, please just stop this inane, kneejerk reaction.
The Arrowverse was a success, Full Stop! They would not keep creating new shows if it weren't.

Yes- that! I was thinking that the deal was they would finish out any DC shows that had already started on the CW but then, most stuff was going to HBO-Max.

[superduperman]

Before anybody starts saying "THIS PROVES I WAS RIGHT!!!!! WOKE MEANS BROKE!!!" keep in mind that 1) the CW never made a profit. Well before the Arrow-verse and 2) this Nextstar doesn't have it's own shows so part of the rumor is that Warners will keep a minority stake and supplying content to them. Which means the Arrow-verse is probably still safe.

[Somecrazyaussie]

Hmmm. Well they had a good run. Most of the shows started off really well in the first and second years, then started to drag.

Still more successful than any of Marvel's ongoing stuff. Marvel ended up completely switching to limited series with higher production values instead. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the DC characters get the same kind of treatment, as a turnabout is fairplay type of deal.

Which was a smart move on Marvel's part. The problem with the CW shows is that 22 - 24 episodes a series is just too much. That's why they feel like they drag on. You burn through so much material and characters to the point it becomes repetitive.

Let's use Flash S1 and Arrow S1. Now, I am of the opinion that the mid-series finale should have been the conclusion of their respective series. Flash confronting Reverse Flash at the stadium and Oliver's first encounter with Malcolm. It isn't a mistake that series with shorter episode counts are often the most praised (Legends and Superman & Lois)

Moving forward DC really needs to invest in shows that have a shorter run (which is what they've started doing).

[Material Flux]

I watch Nancy Drew. Does that show get any kind of ratings?

Glad to see another fan of this show. It's criminally underrated imo.

I remember this one episode where someone impersonating Bruce Wayne (I couldn't remember if it was Clayface or Hush). Evil Bruce Wayne was chasing Batwoman with the Batmobile while Batwoman was driving a run down Mystery Machine Van. Even though the Batmobile had advanced targeting systems and state of the art weaponry, Batwoman was able to evade those attacks and get away.

So you mean to say that a totally untrained amateur was unable to use a high tech weapon system efficiently the first time he used it? How unrealistic!

Then there was this other episode where she was talking to Lucius Fox about how she earned the right to wear the costume because her "life has been so hard"....what the hell?

What an incredibly bad way to paraphrase that convo.