Did Emma Frost ever apologize to Firestar?

[Saturius]

Anyway, my opinion on the stated topic of this thread, if Firestar wants an apology out of Emma, she should just force it out of Emma. Firestar is no pushover. She’s an Avenger. She can trash Emma or force her to say whatever she wants.

The sad part is if you have done the things to someone that Frost did to Angeloca you shouldn't even have to force an apology. Anyone with an an ounce of decency would want to try to make things right.. But Queen crap or whatever as some bs excuse. That's why Emma will always be a compelling but trash character in my eyes. That Young Allies scene was ridiculous.

[Kingdom X]

I am not aware that one of Mastermind’s daughters is a product of rape. I Googled it and I came up with fan theories, and that’s about it. If you have a citation, great. If not that’s okay, but all I can say is I’m not aware of how he became a father.


Of course it’s relevant. If no person, not even an animal, was hurt by Mastermind’s actions against “fake” Jean/Phoenix, then there is no crime, no wrong. Then it doesn’t matter what Mastermind did.

As for Wanda, yes, he was a creep, but not a rapist, not even a groper.

If it was actually Jean that Mastermind seduced or raped, that changes everything, and raises far more questions, including why a genocidal — actually, omnicidal — monster is allowed to roam free, and I don’t mean Mastermind.

I don’t think we want to contemplate that stuff. Better to think of it as current canon has it, not actually Jean thus Mastermind committed no crime. It gets too ugly to contemplate it. The creators on the X titles over years now have proven themselves to be incapable of dealing with these sensitive issues. For God’s sake, they have a fictional war criminal from Auschwitz who murdered children in ghastly experiments on the Quiet Council, Mr. Sinister, and no one wants to address that. You think the X authors or editors are capable of handling a topic like Mastermind’s rapey vibe — I think we can agree on at least that, he’s creepy — with the sensitivity, ethics and morality needed? I do not think they’re capable of handling such a topic. It’s better to let it go.

Just because someone can't be legally brought to court based on comic book logic doesn't change how we should view his actions from a moral standpoint. Nobody knew that Phoenix wasn't Jean. We know exactly what Mastermind's intentions were and what he's capable of. The love that Cyclops felt for Phoenix and his subsequent grieving don't suddenly not matter because of the switcheroo.

[danielsan52]

Angel’s microwave powers somehow disrupts telepathy. The first New Warriors comic I ever bought had her breaking Empath’s power.

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It would be fun to see her break Emma’s telepathy and then her nose.

[thechronic92]

The current X-Office would have Firestar apologising to Emma. Be careful what you wish for.

[RamaBird]

Most of Emma's unredeemable actions happened a long time ago in badly written stories when male writers were even less sensitive to moral standards and writing complex female characters. Marvel barely respects popular well written stories yet they should worry about this? But hate on, Emma haters.

[Brian B]

Angel’s microwave powers somehow disrupts telepathy. The first New Warriors comic I ever bought had her breaking Empath’s power.

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It would be fun to see her break Emma’s telepathy and then her nose.

Firestar could do worse quicker. She could simply boil Emma’s brain or set her on fire.

[Mercury]

It's been established that a fragment of Jean's essence/psyche/soul/consciousness was housed within the Phoenix clone, so, technically, Mastermind did abuse Jean, or at least a fragment of her.

[Havok83]

Firestar could do worse quicker. She could simply boil Emma’s brain or set her on fire.

Emma hs diamond skin so she cold easily counter that

Angel’s microwave powers somehow disrupts telepathy. The first New Warriors comic I ever bought had her breaking Empath’s power.

8F786185-92B6-4D8D-924D-EC9098472334.jpg

It would be fun to see her break Emma’s telepathy and then her nose.

Emma's far more poweful than Empath, whom doesnt have true telepathy. I dont think she would have the same effect on Emma

[Micabe]

Most of Emma's unredeemable actions happened a long time ago in badly written stories when male writers were even less sensitive to moral standards and writing complex female characters.

And, that absolves Emma of the heinous acts she committed and was party to? By that logic, we should stop blaming Jean Grey for the annihilation of the D'Bari star system.

Marvel barely respects popular well written stories yet they should worry about this? But hate on, Emma haters.

[Brian B]

The current X-Office would have Firestar apologising to Emma. Be careful what you wish for.

That is plausible.

[Brian B]

And, that absolves Emma of the heinous acts she committed and was party to? By that logic, we should stop blaming Jean Grey for the annihilation of the D'Bari star system.

Current canon in Marvel Comics does not blame Jean for D’Bari.

[OldManLogan]

Unless you count Generation X (which I don't)...

She didn't, she won't and she shouldn't.
We already have a problem with every insteresting villain being part of Krakoa, why do antiheroes need to stop being antiheroes? Emma's redemption already happened decades ago, we don't need more of that.
Last time she was written apologizing and caring for things like this we had Fraction's Emma, which was the most defanged and boring Frost we ever had. In the old forums she was even labeled 'Blonde Jean' because of this, we definetly don't need more of that Emma.

Krakoa era Emma Frost is peak Emma Frost. She does good by her people with underhanded tactics. She's always been a polarizing character, "fixing" that to try to appease to people that will complain about her regardless is just stupid.

Also LOL at Jean fans trolling Emma and no one taking the bait.

And, that absolves Emma of the heinous acts she committed and was party to? By that logic, we should stop blaming Jean Grey for the annihilation of the D'Bari star system.

But that's the point, she isn't absolved. That's why even to this day there are trust issues with other members of the team... as it should be.

[Chris0013]

The current X-Office would have Firestar apologising to Emma. Be careful what you wish for.

That is plausible.

Considering how Kate Pryde practically fawns over Emma considering their history?? It is more than plausible.

[Micabe]

Unless you count Generation X (which I don't)...

She didn't, she won't and she shouldn't.
We already have a problem with every insteresting villain being part of Krakoa, why do antiheroes need to stop being antiheroes? Emma's redemption already happened decades ago, we don't need more of that.
Last time she was written apologizing and caring for things like this we had Fraction's Emma, which was the most defanged and boring Frost we ever had. In the old forums she was even labeled 'Blonde Jean' because of this, we definetly don't need more of that Emma.

Krakoa era Emma Frost is peak Emma Frost. She does good by her people with underhanded tactics. She's always been a polarizing character, "fixing" that to try to appease to people that will complain about her regardless is just stupid.

Also LOL at Jean fans trolling Emma and no one taking the bait.

We're not fishing... We're simply pointing out canonical facts.

But that's the point, she isn't absolved. That's why even to this day there are trust issues with other members of the team... as it should be.

Yes, and that's my point. Some people want it both ways when they imply that Jean Grey destroyed an entire inhabited solar system in a fit of unprovoked rage while conveniently ignoring the fact that if not for the Hellfire Club, specifically Emma Frost and Jason Wyngarde, that tragedy would have never happened. Yet, when pointing fingers they are quick to remind us of the destruction of the D'Bari star system and how Jean Grey was solely responsible for the event while simultaneously saying that wasn't Jean Grey.

[Havok83]

Current canon in Marvel Comics does not blame Jean for D’Bari.

since when? Jean gets blame and takes responsible for the DPS. This was acknowledged as recently as 3 months ago