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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    But like, why? What purpose does that story serve?

    The amazons are a feminine (and potentially lesbian) fantasy. What purpose does her having a male child with a dude serve?
    A treaty, maybe with Gods, Demons, Aliens, or other creatures. Oh maybe hes a son of a Kryptonian and an Amazon, if hes the son of Jor-El and Hippolyta that makes him...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianWilly View Post
    Oh Jason. Sigh forever.

    I'd just have him be another child that Hippolyta had back in the day, either before or after living on the island. Now, I have a hard time seeing the true Hippolyta willingly sleeping with Zeus, but I wouldn't even seriously mind Zeus being Jason's father if it meant that we could just shovel all this demigod stuff onto him, while Diana gets her own separate distinct clay origin. If DC thinks the Zeus origin is so friggin' great, then Jason is welcome to have it all.

    My strong suspicion is that someone up high on the WB/DC decision-making branch was doggedly hanging onto the Zeus origin at the time, and even now continues to do so, in order to keep synergy with the DCEU. Which, yeah, is pretty ironic/silly/backwards considering that the movie likely only forced in the Zeus origin in order to keep synergy with what was the comics origin at the time...and also like, who even cares about the DCEU anymore at this point lol. The editorial branch of the WW offices seem more competent and put-together nowadays than they've ever been before, but this remains the one scab they won't pick at, likely also because Conrad and Cloonan don't seem particularly incentivized to do so.

    ...The downside of which is that this one single discrepancy in Diana's backstory continues to spread out and muddle the backstories of every single other character in her franchise, from Cassie (whose father Lennox doesn't technically exist anymore) to Donna (created by Amazons who never existed) and even Hippolyta and Nubia as well, so every writer who handles them nowadays has to do the narrative equivalent of politely ignoring the fact that these characters' origins haven't made any sense for about ten years .
    I have the same suspicions as well. I think if Rucka could have retconned the daddy Zeus nonsense then he would have. The problem is that we have people both on the creative side, the WB decision making chain and even among fans who think that making Diana the daughter of Zeus 'fixed her' character. You're so right that it's also throwing everyone else's origin off orbit as well because when you mess with something foundational as the origin story then then the whole house begins to tilt over. I've spoken to a lot of casual audiences and most of women are iffy on Diana being the daughter of Zeus and Zeus being the patron of the Amazons. They might not know the comics but they know it feels wrong.

    What I suggest:

    -Canonize Hippolyta as Ares biological daughter. This is inline with the myth and several WW comics have hinted at this as well. It also opens up a story line where Hippolyta breaks away from Ares clan to form the Amazons under Athena's rule. Diana is born from clay and is the grand daughter of Zeus.

    -'Jason' is Hippolytus; Hippolyta's son by Thesus. Maybe he felt abandoned by his mother and traumatized by his father killing him that he develops a misplaced anger against the Amazons.

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    It's not just Rucka either; Steve Orlando was so clearly in-love with pre-Flashpoint WW stuff and brought back so many classic elements of WW that I fully believe he would have absolutely pulled the trigger and retconned the Zeus thing on multiple occasions if he could have gotten away with it. The fact that he was allowed to bring back so many other things, but conspicuously stopped just short of bringing back the clay origin, is actually what makes me think that there was some firm behind-the-scenes edict about this one specific thing.

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    Yep, even the current Cloonrad run is just skirting around the edges without outright saying whether she is the daughter of Zeus or born of clay.

    Historia is doing the clay origin at least. Maybe that will finally open the gateways to doing the clay origin in the main universe as well.

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    One reader's take...

    Any "Fix..." will involve having to rework the complete "One Foot In..."/"One Foot Out..." train wreck that is exactly how Jason would fit in given what readers have already been told.

    Huge investment for what would likely be a reward that almost no readers seem seriously interested in.

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    He and Wonder Woman date for a while until they find out they are siblings and break up.

    The J-man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    He's from an alternate universe who accidently got sent here.

    He then dies on his way back home.
    And is wiped from the cosmic genomic structure of the Multiverse as though he had never existed. Never to be thought of or mentioned again

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    Jason being from an AU could be interesting if the premise was 'what if Hippolyta sculpted a boy instead of a girl?'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Venus View Post
    Jason being from an AU could be interesting if the premise was 'what if Hippolyta sculpted a boy instead of a girl?'.
    I'm with you, right up to that gender-swithcheroo part. I think the Wonder Woman we read about, in the monthly comic, should have a superhuman male ally, who happens to be Prince Jason, the brother of a parallel universe Wonder Woman. I also think you can have an AU, where Queen Hippolyta had twins, and entrusted her son to the heroes of Thalarion, to be raised. It confounds me that James didn't go that route, and he could have told THAT origin, in six panels...

    But, I guess that's the old way. So much better now, taking 3-6 issues to tell a superhero origin story...sure.

    As for the Wonder Woman we read about, in the monthly comic, my OTHER question stands, if anyone dares to answer it. Do we really need Prince Jason or Wonder[blank], with Sigfried in the cast?

    Whether he's Gundra's ex-husband or brother in-law, Conrad has confirmed, on Twitter, that Siggy's already in the Valkyrie family, by marriage, ..just as he is, in German folklore. He has colors and armor and style, all the sparks of a classic superhero. Furthermore, the important things about him are firmly established in German myth and not open to screwed around with, as Jason's profile was - Siggy is every bit the swashbuckling ladies' man and fearless adventurer, the myths have shown him to be. Can we see him playing a semi-regular role (like Steel or Catwoman used to), in the comic? When it comes to having a true, superhuman male Wonder about, who joins Diana, Artemis and Nubia on adventures, as their equal, I think Siggy does, as well, or better, ..than Prince Jason.

    With Siggy, ex-husband of Gundra (a Wonder-villain), as a semi-regular, ..can we finally let Jason go, altogether?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel Dyer View Post
    I'm with you, right up to that gender-swithcheroo part. I think the Wonder Woman we read about, in the monthly comic, should have a superhuman male ally, who happens to be Prince Jason, the brother of a parallel universe Wonder Woman. I also think you can have an AU, where Queen Hippolyta had twins, and entrusted her son to the heroes of Thalarion, to be raised. It confounds me that James didn't go that route, and he could have told THAT origin, in six panels...

    But, I guess that's the old way. So much better now, taking 3-6 issues to tell a superhero origin story...sure.

    As for the Wonder Woman we read about, in the monthly comic, my OTHER question stands, if anyone dares to answer it. Do we really need Prince Jason or Wonder[blank], with Sigfried in the cast?

    Whether he's Gundra's ex-husband or brother in-law, Conrad has confirmed, on Twitter, that Siggy's already in the Valkyrie family, by marriage, ..just as he is, in German folklore. He has colors and armor and style, all the sparks of a classic superhero. Furthermore, the important things about him are firmly established in German myth and not open to screwed around with, as Jason's profile was - Siggy is every bit the swashbuckling ladies' man and fearless adventurer, the myths have shown him to be. Can we see him playing a semi-regular role (like Steel or Catwoman used to), in the comic? When it comes to having a true, superhuman male Wonder about, who joins Diana, Artemis and Nubia on adventures, as their equal, I think Siggy does, as well, or better, ..than Prince Jason.

    With Siggy, ex-husband of Gundra (a Wonder-villain), as a semi-regular, ..can we finally let Jason go, altogether?
    I think most people on this board are advocating to get rid of the Jason character permanently. Not sure where you get the idea otherwise.

    Also, I find it strange that when we talk about Jason, you make sure to always say Prince Jason.

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