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    Quote Originally Posted by RJT View Post
    Awesome. I love stories with no conflict.
    how would it be no conflict? balance his personal life by getting a job that sticks and his hero career by not getting affected by his personal life
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman27 View Post
    how would it be no conflict? balance his personal life by getting a job that sticks and his hero career by not getting affected by his personal life
    Because the whole conflict of Spider-Man is that being a super-hero makes his personal life more difficult. That’s literally the secret sauce that made him different than every other hero to that point, and it changed the way comics dealt with secret identities forever after. Giving him a perfect personal life that isn’t impacted by his superhero life fundamentally changes the DNA of the character. You might as well suggest he lose his spider powers and just become a hero with super strength and flight, and instead of his current costume, give him a cape and a domino mask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJT View Post
    Because the whole conflict of Spider-Man is that being a super-hero makes his personal life more difficult. That’s literally the secret sauce that made him different than every other hero to that point, and it changed the way comics dealt with secret identities forever after. Giving him a perfect personal life that isn’t impacted by his superhero life fundamentally changes the DNA of the character. You might as well suggest he lose his spider powers and just become a hero with super strength and flight, and instead of his current costume, give him a cape and a domino mask.
    So, clearly the answer is for Peter to only have one life. Either be Peter Parker or Spider-Man. Never both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    I've always been an all-or-nothing guy. To me, the reason why he can never make steady progress is because he always feels he can fall back on "take pictures of Spider-Man" scam. That's why I don't want him anywhere near journalism. It feels like it keeps him lazy.

    I would also prefer his work have as little to do with Spider-Man as possible. It can have zany characters but no "co-worker is secretly a supervillain". It's overused and too much of a soap opera trope.
    That's fair. I tend to like going halfsies in this respect for a couple reasons. One is the Bugle staff is just too good a supporting cast to just let go. Every time their missing from a tv show or movie, there just seems to be something missing. And I'll be honest, while I do consider science an important part of Pete's background, I often find myself losing interest when it becomes the primary focus because that's not necessarily what I find most appealing about him. Science being the primary focus in Reed Richards and Tony Stark's lives, cool. In Pete's I generally prefer the more grounded every man approach.

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    So, clearly the answer is for Peter to only have one life. Either be Peter Parker or Spider-Man. Never both.
    Umm, the way he's been balancing both (with varying degrees of success, of course) has been the primary focus of the character's life since, well, forever. For the very same reason you're resistant about him having any sort of connection to the Bugle I'm resistant to have his entire life dedicated to science. I just feel that would take away from the every man aspect of the character and have his entire life engulfed in science-based bad guys that in some way, shape, or form, be connected to his science career (they often did this on the '90s cartoon, which I often found implausible at best). As lazy as you claim his connection to the Bugle would be in relation to his life as Spider-Man, I feel the same way if his entire life was about science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJT View Post
    Because the whole conflict of Spider-Man is that being a super-hero makes his personal life more difficult. That’s literally the secret sauce that made him different than every other hero to that point, and it changed the way comics dealt with secret identities forever after. Giving him a perfect personal life that isn’t impacted by his superhero life fundamentally changes the DNA of the character. You might as well suggest he lose his spider powers and just become a hero with super strength and flight, and instead of his current costume, give him a cape and a domino mask.
    maybe it time to move on it has been 60 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    So, clearly the answer is for Peter to only have one life. Either be Peter Parker or Spider-Man. Never both.
    It seems you don't fundamentally understand the character. Peter Parker's life would be infinitely easier if he stopped being Spider-Man. It has brought him nothing but heartache and hurt and caused people he cares about to lose their lives. But he CAN'T. He's tried to quit being Spider-Man (many times) and even a handful of times he tried to stop being Peter Parker and he CAN'T. Because with great power comes great responsibility. It's literally from his first appearance. It's a motto that I imagine even many non-comics readers connect with the character.

    So making it so that both sides of his identity go smoothly (for any extended period of time) is a fundamental change to the character's DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman27 View Post
    maybe it time to move on it has been 60 years.
    So move on to what made him appealing in the first place? Whelp, I guess it's time for Batman to move on from the dark costume and the ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phonogram12 View Post
    That's fair. I tend to like going halfsies in this respect for a couple reasons. One is the Bugle staff is just too good a supporting cast to just let go. Every time their missing from a tv show or movie, there just seems to be something missing. And I'll be honest, while I do consider science an important part of Pete's background, I often find myself losing interest when it becomes the primary focus because that's not necessarily what I find most appealing about him. Science being the primary focus in Reed Richards and Tony Stark's lives, cool. In Pete's I generally prefer the more grounded every man approach.



    Umm, the way he's been balancing both (with varying degrees of success, of course) has been the primary focus of the character's life since, well, forever. For the very same reason you're resistant about him having any sort of connection to the Bugle I'm resistant to have his entire life dedicated to science. I just feel that would take away from the every man aspect of the character and have his entire life engulfed in science-based bad guys that in some way, shape, or form, be connected to his science career (they often did this on the '90s cartoon, which I often found implausible at best). As lazy as you claim his connection to the Bugle would be in relation to his life as Spider-Man, I feel the same way if his entire life was about science.
    What you're talking about is the exact opposite of what I want. I want his work not intersect with his superhero life. No "co-worker secretly being the Big Man", no "Workplace opening a Black Hole", none of that!

    Peter wouldn't be restricted to science villains because there's no reason why his work should have anything to do with being Spider-Man or his Rogues Gallery.

    Quote Originally Posted by RJT View Post
    It seems you don't fundamentally understand the character. Peter Parker's life would be infinitely easier if he stopped being Spider-Man. It has brought him nothing but heartache and hurt and caused people he cares about to lose their lives. But he CAN'T. He's tried to quit being Spider-Man (many times) and even a handful of times he tried to stop being Peter Parker and he CAN'T. Because with great power comes great responsibility. It's literally from his first appearance. It's a motto that I imagine even many non-comics readers connect with the character.

    So making it so that both sides of his identity go smoothly (for any extended period of time) is a fundamental change to the character's DNA.
    That's not being responsible; that's being childish. He's asking for more responsibility than he can actually handle. This is really a lesson in how stupid it is to put all of the pressure on one guy.

    The fact that he's not really able to work with other people makes a lot of his complaints about his life feel hollow like Poseidon or The Hunger Artist by Franz Kafka.

    Quote Originally Posted by phonogram12 View Post
    So move on to what made him appealing in the first place? Whelp, I guess it's time for Batman to move on from the dark costume and the ears.
    Being self-destructive is an appealing trait? Those always make my least favorite interpretations of Batman. Notably, TAS Batman still had a social life before JL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman27 View Post
    maybe it time to move on it has been 60 years.
    Right? That was the score when Pete was a child but for most of his run he's actually been a stable adult able to hold down college and/or a secure job (that he loves) while also being Spider-man.

    I swear, the decade and two decades since the first movie, where Marvel have constantly reverted back to the original formula, have completely warped everyone's view of how Spider-man has worked for over 4 decades as a functioning adult.

    Quote Originally Posted by RJT View Post
    It seems you don't fundamentally understand the character.
    Right back at you, as long as you've only ever read the Lee/Ditko era (where he was a child), Ultimate and the the movies and cartoons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exile001 View Post
    Right? That was the score when Pete was a child but for most of his run he's actually been a stable adult able to hold down college and/or a secure job (that he loves) while also being Spider-man.

    I swear, the decade and two decades since the first movie, where Marvel have constantly reverted back to the original formula, have completely warped everyone's view of how Spider-man has worked for over 4 decades as a functioning adult.



    Right back at you, as long as you've only ever read the Lee/Ditko era (where he was a child), Ultimate and the the movies and cartoons.
    He was never a functioning adult; the very first issue of Amazing I ever bought was 243, where he decides that trying to balance work, superheroing, and his education is too much and he quits grad school. He always had difficulty balancing his responsibilities as a student, worker, nephew, boyfriend, and superhero. When he was in college, and Aunt May would fall ill, her doctors would chide him for not doing enough for her. His constant "ditching" of Deb Whitman (because he is needed as Spider-Man elsewhere) leads her to have a breakdown. Even when he was married to Mary Jane they had money troubles and needed to move back in with Aunt May for a while. And when he did have a stable job, like when he was hired at TriCorp at the beginning of the Mackie/Byrne run, he eventually loses the job because of his erratic attendance. When he was an Avenger and living in Avengers mansion, the events of Civil War send him on the run.

    I guess you saw any moment where he attained some level of stability and then had it snatched away as the writers reverting or backtracking, when the rest of us realized it was part of the dramatic narrative. There's a terrific Kurt Vonnegut lecture about the structure of story and using Cinderella as an example--the fact that she is given the dress and the dance with the prince and then has it taken away makes the ending all the more satisfying to the audience. The problem here is that the story of Spider-Man will never end. He's never going to get a stable job that lasts for all time. He's never going to defeat Doctor Octopus in such a way that he never comes back. My advice if that bothers you is to just stop reading for a while. Maybe serialized fiction isn't your bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJT View Post
    He was never a functioning adult; the very first issue of Amazing I ever bought was 243, where he decides that trying to balance work, superheroing, and his education is too much and he quits grad school. He always had difficulty balancing his responsibilities as a student, worker, nephew, boyfriend, and superhero. When he was in college, and Aunt May would fall ill, her doctors would chide him for not doing enough for her. His constant "ditching" of Deb Whitman (because he is needed as Spider-Man elsewhere) leads her to have a breakdown. Even when he was married to Mary Jane they had money troubles and needed to move back in with Aunt May for a while. And when he did have a stable job, like when he was hired at TriCorp at the beginning of the Mackie/Byrne run, he eventually loses the job because of his erratic attendance. When he was an Avenger and living in Avengers mansion, the events of Civil War send him on the run.

    I guess you saw any moment where he attained some level of stability and then had it snatched away as the writers reverting or backtracking, when the rest of us realized it was part of the dramatic narrative. There's a terrific Kurt Vonnegut lecture about the structure of story and using Cinderella as an example--the fact that she is given the dress and the dance with the prince and then has it taken away makes the ending all the more satisfying to the audience. The problem here is that the story of Spider-Man will never end. He's never going to get a stable job that lasts for all time. He's never going to defeat Doctor Octopus in such a way that he never comes back. My advice if that bothers you is to just stop reading for a while. Maybe serialized fiction isn't your bag.
    I think that what this really tells us is that we should stop complaining about OMD since you've shown that it's totally in character for him to make dumb decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    I've always been an all-or-nothing guy. To me, the reason why he can never make steady progress is because he always feels he can fall back on "take pictures of Spider-Man" scam. That's why I don't want him anywhere near journalism. It feels like it keeps him lazy.

    I would also prefer his work have as little to do with Spider-Man as possible. It can have zany characters but no "co-worker is secretly a supervillain". It's overused and too much of a soap opera trope.
    I agree with this. I don't find any sort of journalism job a good fit for an adult Peter. I think some sort of university professor/researcher job is the best fit for the character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackspidey2099 View Post
    I agree with this. I don't find any sort of journalism job a good fit for an adult Peter. I think some sort of university professor/researcher job is the best fit for the character.
    I feel like the others made a good argument as to why Peter shouldn't be a teacher, but researcher still seems good.

    I was thinking he, Hobie Brown and Robert Farrell could make a start-up where they try to make prosthetics like in the PS4 game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    I feel like the others made a good argument as to why Peter shouldn't be a teacher, but researcher still seems good.

    I was thinking he, Hobie Brown and Robert Farrell could make a start-up where they try to make prosthetics like in the PS4 game.
    That would be interesting, and good on you for bringing up Rocket Racer. Haven't seen him in a good while.
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    I think the most important question is whether or not editorial will let him get his doctorate because that will mean he is successful at something and there is no way they can have that.

    I really don't think Peter ever cared about getting his doctorate...but with the plagiarism due to Otto's ego needing the "Doctor" title Pete is in a position of having to prove he can earn one.

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