Vance Astrovik: Justice Appreciation 2022

[Chris0013]

For a guy with such a long and well developed history he seems to have been missing for too long. The guy needs some love.

[Hypestyle]

has he had any solo mini series? I don't think he's had an ongoing.

like Firestar he's a mutant who has scarcely had any relationship with the X-Men titles. (Or none at all?) Most of the attention for telekinetics tends to be on women (Jean Grey, etc.)

He could work on a new team.

So is it time for a name change? Marvel Boy didn't last and had similar generic-ness as Jean's former moniker. Justice lasted, it was available, but is it even descriptive?

[Chris0013]

has he had any solo mini series? I don't think he's had an ongoing.

like Firestar he's a mutant who has scarcely had any relationship with the X-Men titles. (Or none at all?) Most of the attention for telekinetics tends to be on women (Jean Grey, etc.)

He could work on a new team.

So is it time for a name change? Marvel Boy didn't last and had similar generic-ness as Jean's former moniker. Justice lasted, it was available, but is it even descriptive?

He had at least 1 limited series that I remember.

[MitchFox]

Vance Astrovik is my favorite New Warrior besides Speedball, Silhouette, Hummingbird and Sun Girl.

I hated how Outlawed storyline turned Vance and his friends into jerks for no apparent reason other than cheap drama. And it's worse when the New Warriors comic which is supposed to be a tie-in to Outlawed (and explain the elder New Warriors' OOC behavior) remained unreleased. Due to the backlash on the New Warriors, the reputation is going to take a long time to recover unless a writer who cares about them, redeems the New Warriors.

[Dermie]

Vance Astrovik is my favorite New Warrior besides Speedball, Silhouette, Hummingbird and Sun Girl.

Vance is my favourite Warrior as well, with Silhouette and Turbo (Mickey) close behind.

I hated how Outlawed storyline turned Vance and his friends into jerks for no apparent reason other than cheap drama. And it's worse when the New Warriors comic which is supposed to be a tie-in to Outlawed (and explain the elder New Warriors' OOC behavior) remained unreleased. Due to the backlash on the New Warriors, the reputation going to take a long time to recover unless a writer who cares about them, redeems the New Warriors.

It really IS unfortunate that a project telling the Warriors' side of the "Outlawed" event never got released. I don't really agree that it turned them into jerks though--but I can see how they look like jerks for working with C.R.A.D.L.E. who were the bad guys of the arc (although they were just enforcing the law--it was the Roxxon-run internment camp that was truly the villains of the piece). But the Warriors definitely have reason to see the potential merits in Kamala's Law, given their own history with the Stamford incident, and Vance's experience accidentally killing his father.

Its important to remember that teen heroes weren't being entirely outlawed--they were supposed to work with an adult mentor for training and guidance. Vance and Speedball both worked at Avengers Academy to train teenage superheroes (and Vance was also on-staff at the Initiative's Camp Hammond), so there definitely is established basis for Vance and Robbie to want to try and help young heroes to avoid repeating some of the same mistakes they made and suffering some of the same tragedies. I really think Vance and Robbie's motivations for working with C.R.A.D.L.E. were all about helping young heroes, just like they did with Avengers Academy--having been teen heroes themselves (and ones who had that experience go sideways on them) they figured it was better for them to try and go after the kids rather than someone who would be less sympathetic and less understanding of what they're facing. its just that in the CHAMPIONS arc we never really got to see their side of the story get presented.

I do hope someone brings back the Warriors and does something with them to get past the stain of the "Outlawed" arc though -- there is a lot more to them than this one storyline, so they don't deserve to be remembered just for this.

I would be curious to see how Vance feels about the current situation with the mutant community and Krakoa, etc. I don't see Vance choosing to move to Krakoa--he's never exactly associated much with the rest of the larger mutant community--but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have any feelings or opinions about it, or be curious to visit, etc.

[Midnight_v]

I would be curious to see how Vance feels about the current situation with the mutant community and Krakoa, etc. I don't see Vance choosing to move to Krakoa--he's never exactly associated much with the rest of the larger mutant community--but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have any feelings or opinions about it, or be curious to visit, etc.

I believe he would be against it 1000%. He's basically in many ways Captain America. I never forget that he's Major Victory in the future, and thats how marvel was introduced to that character for decades.

I really would like to see him be "More" in a lot of ways. What form that takes is up for grabs