View Poll Results: What are your feelings towards the "Diana as God(dess) of War"?

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  • Great period! Diana should be God of War all over again!

    3 11.11%
  • Nice idea, but could have been done better. Bring it back but do it differently.

    3 11.11%
  • It was a good idea, but it has been explored enough and doesn't need to come back.

    7 25.93%
  • Terrible idea from the get-go. Forget it ever happened and move on.

    14 51.85%
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    It would have been an interesting premise if it was, say, Perez's Diana who reluctantly took on the mantle after Ares had been a foe for her for years and she was created to stand for something else. Seeing her adjust to that or try to subvert it could have been neat.

    Here though, it barely mattered to the run at all. And Ares not only being her mentor and being the mentor that gets all the focus (over both the Amazons and the goddesses) is deeply insulting to the character's themes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    If someone offers themself to someone who willingly accepts that offer(unless someone has another page that suggests that those sailors were not willingly taking part...)?

    That is not the person who accepted said offer being raped.

    I get that plenty of folks are not fans of the run.

    Doesn't really change that you have to bring something that is not actually on that page to get anywhere near those sailors being victims of rape.
    Would you rather we call it murder with a salacious sexual component?



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    1: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception

    But it's rape because the sailers thought it was all fun and games but they were deceived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    It would have been an interesting premise if it was, say, Perez's Diana who reluctantly took on the mantle after Ares had been a foe for her for years and she was created to stand for something else. Seeing her adjust to that or try to subvert it could have been neat.

    Here though, it barely mattered to the run at all. And Ares not only being her mentor and being the mentor that gets all the focus (over both the Amazons and the goddesses) is deeply insulting to the character's themes.
    Yeah, a Diana with a different relationship with Ares and I think it could have been interesting storyline, like with Ra's wanting Batman to takeover the LoS or Hal and Sinestro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriand'r View Post
    Would you rather we call it murder with a salacious sexual component?



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    But it's rape because the sailers thought it was all fun and games but they were deceived.
    - None of those sailors appeared to be under the age of consent.

    - Unless someone has more than that page? We have no reason to believe that any one of those sailors were incapable of valid consent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    - None of those sailors appeared to be under the age of consent.

    - Unless someone has more than that page? We have no reason to believe that any one of those sailors were incapable of valid consent.
    Nice try, but clearly I was talking about the deception. You think if they had walked onto the ships and told the sailors they were there to get impregnated and murder them they would've been as receptive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriand'r View Post
    Nice try, but clearly I was talking about the deception. You think if they had walked onto the ships and told the sailors they were there to get impregnated and murder them they would've been as receptive?
    Here's the obvious issue...

    While I really get that folks seriously want to attempt to turn that into a "Those Sailors Were Raped..." situation?

    The "Deception..." mentioned is pretty clear. It's not anything like what is on that page.

    If someone uses sex that a person whose blender they eventually steal willingly agrees to take part in to wind up in a position to steal that blender?

    That they were eventually going to steal the blenders does not somehow magically transform the consensual sex into something other than what it was.

    The "Deception..." in that definition is nothing like that.

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    Let's put it this way...

    What was on that page was a whole lot more like this than what folks seem intent on trying to turn it into.


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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Here's the obvious issue...

    While I really get that folks seriously want to attempt to turn that into a "Those Sailors Were Raped..." situation?

    The "Deception..." mentioned is pretty clear. It's not anything like what is on that page.

    If someone uses sex that a person whose blender they eventually steal willingly agrees to take part in to wind up in a position to steal that blender?

    That they were eventually going to steal the blenders does not somehow magically transform the consensual sex into something other than what it was.

    The "Deception..." in that definition is nothing like that.
    It says on the page "It must seem like a dream to most men...beautiful women, offering themselves...but it quickly turns to a nightmare. There lives, drained from them."

    So you think everyone had sex at once and died at once? That's not physiologically possible, at least not "quickly". Someone still had to be performing while their mates were screaming for their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriand'r View Post
    It says on the page "It must seem like a dream to most men...beautiful women, offering themselves...but it quickly turns to a nightmare. There lives, drained from them."

    So you think everyone had sex at once and died at once? That's not physiologically possible, at least not "quickly". Someone still had to be performing while their mates were screaming for their lives.
    Politely, this is coming back around to "Let Me Tell You What Is Actually On That Page..."

    Meanwhile?

    The page is rather clear. The murders pretty clearly take place after the Amazons and the sailors have sex.

    If there is a page that suggests otherwise?

    It would be interesting to see it.

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    The term "sex pirates" may be more apt than "rapists", but however you see it, the whole scenario was written specifically to paint the Amazons in a negative light. They were even too stupid to take the cargo and the ships to enrich themselves, and potentially advance their technology beyond the stone age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Politely, this is coming back around to "Let Me Tell You What Is Actually On That Page..."

    Meanwhile?

    The page is rather clear. The murders pretty clearly take place after the Amazons and the sailors have sex.

    If there is a page that suggests otherwise?

    It would be interesting to see it.
    The fact the men are all still nude throws your theory out the window. Who lays around a deck butt naked with other dudes, post-coitus, when the women are all gone? It's not that kind of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriand'r View Post
    The fact the men are all still nude throws your theory out the window. Who lays around a deck butt naked with other dudes, post-coitus, when the women are all gone? It's not that kind of story.
    Politely, what is actually on the page says otherwise.

    That it does not seem reasonable to a given reader?

    Doesn't really change what is on the page.

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    I really don't know what you're trying to defend here. The Amazons in the comic seduced the men to get pregnant and then murdered them afterwards. Those men would very, very likely have not had sex with them if they knew it was going to end with their deaths. Call it rape or whatever (and given what these Amazons are like, they don't strike me as the kind to take no for an answer), but there is nothing about that scene that makes it look anything other than heinous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    I really don't know what you're trying to defend here. The Amazons in the comic seduced the men to get pregnant and then murdered them afterwards. Those men would very, very likely have not had sex with them if they knew it was going to end with their deaths. Call it rape or whatever (and given what these Amazons are like, they don't strike me as the kind to take no for an answer), but there is nothing about that scene that makes it look anything other than heinous.
    It's got nothing to with "Defending..." anything.

    Pointing out that something is an orange when folks are looking at it and saying it is an apple does not mean you are defending whatever the "Orange..." is.

    Just means that you are pointing out the difference.

    You yourself are saying "Don't Strike Me As The Kind To Take No For An Answer..."

    Which is a non-issue when the page rather clearly lays out that "Yes..." was the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    It's got nothing to with "Defending..." anything.

    Pointing out that something is an orange when folks are looking at it and saying it is an apple does not mean you are defending whatever the "Orange..." is.

    Just means that you are pointing out the difference.

    You yourself are saying "Don't Strike Me As The Kind To Take No For An Answer..."

    Which is a non-issue when the page rather clearly lays out that "Yes..." was the answer.
    But it wouldn't have been if they had known that "yes" would lead to their destruction. See? We're having an endless circular discussion because you alone insist on being an "orange" advocate.

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