Joss Whedon Breaks Silence: Calls Ray Fisher, “A Bad Actor In Both Senses”

[Kieran_Frost]

Whedon’s response has just given credence to the allegations against him.

He sounds intolerant, rude, aggressive and power drunk. I don’t necessarily agree with everything Fisher said but it’s hard to argue against him considering Whedon’s past actions on Buffy.

Completely agreed. If anyone was on the fence about if these allegations are true, this interview... it literally embodies the attitude everyone has been talking about. It's cruel, and rude, and mocking and unkind. Snide digs, and belittling opinions. It's all the evidence anyone needs to realise: they were telling the truth!!!

[90'sCartoonMan]

On CBR's main page ...

https://www.cbr.com/joss-whedon-fire...uL40yHmfBfai9s

Yikes. I'm not sure if I listened to any commentaries on Firefly (were there any?), but on the Buffy and Angel DVDs, the writers all sound like they admire Whedon's intensity and the way he pushed them to do their best work.

[Mark Trail]

There was an accusation by people working on the show that they caught Whedon doing sex acts on the floor with one of these women working on his show which is definitely something that would get you a HR warning or firing in many corporate businesses.

[regnak]

Completely agreed. If anyone was on the fence about if these allegations are true, this interview... it literally embodies the attitude everyone has been talking about. It's cruel, and rude, and mocking and unkind. Snide digs, and belittling opinions. It's all the evidence anyone needs to realise: they were telling the truth!!!

It wasn’t needed there are basically 3 kinds of people accused of crimes
A The innocent
B The guilty who think it cannot be proven
C The guilty who think it might be proven

A& B will always deny the charge but Whedon did not so he is in C.

[Mister Mets]

There was an accusation by people working on the show that they caught Whedon doing sex acts on the floor with one of these women working on his show which is definitely something that would get you a HR warning or firing in many corporate businesses.

Is this allegation mentioned in any of the articles about Whedon?

[Anthony W]

What's that saying? Never Trust A Male Feminist. LOL.

What's really sad is that once you get past all the damage he did to individuals you have to step back and realize that this dude destroyed an ENTIRE generation of writers. How many comics have you read, still read where the characters sound like they stepped off of one of his shows? How many shows still come off as "Whedonesque".

[Johnathan]

What's that saying? Never Trust A Male Feminist. LOL.

What's really sad is that once you get past all the damage he did to individuals you have to step back and realize that this dude destroyed an ENTIRE generation of writers. How many comics have you read, still read where the characters sound like they stepped off of one of his shows? How many shows still come off as "Whedonesque".

Hard to say as Whedon's style was heavily influenced by comics like Marv Wolfman's Teen Titans and Chris Claremont's New/Uncanny X-Men or the Levitz period of LoSH. So, it is natural that other writers who were influenced by those would also sound a lot like Whedon - like Peter David, for example or Kieth Giffen and Dematteis for JLA - and then writers influenced by those writers would be similar too.

Whedon's style is fairly generically popular. He's not like Woody Allen or Tarantino in that regard where you can immediately recognize the style. And he's definitely not like Alan Moore or Frank Miller when it comes to comics.

[WebLurker]

What's really sad is that once you get past all the damage he did to individuals you have to step back and realize that this dude destroyed an ENTIRE generation of writers. How many comics have you read, still read where the characters sound like they stepped off of one of his shows? How many shows still come off as "Whedonesque".

There was nothing inherently wrong with his writing style, just with his morals.

[Kirby101]

What's that saying? Never Trust A Male Feminist. LOL.

What's really sad is that once you get past all the damage he did to individuals you have to step back and realize that this dude destroyed an ENTIRE generation of writers. How many comics have you read, still read where the characters sound like they stepped off of one of his shows? How many shows still come off as "Whedonesque".

And didn't he kidnap the Lindbergh Bay and destroy the Hindenburg?

And those poor writers, imagine if David Chase or Vince Gilligan weren't so influenced by Whedon.

We should also disregard all men who think women should be treated equally because reasons, I guess. LOL

[Nods]

The problem I have with this is...Joss accused of being a jerk. Why do we care?

Anyways the more telling thing is Ray Fisher hasn't gotten another major gig...that tells me he's a toxic head case.

[Immortal Weapon]

The problem I have with this is...Joss accused of being a jerk. Why do we care?

Anyways the more telling thing is Ray Fisher hasn't gotten another major gig...that tells me he's a toxic head case.

He's done True Detective and currently in Women of the movement. He's still getting work

[Nate Grey]

He's done True Detective and currently in Women of the movement. He's still getting work

In a lot of people's minds if he's not in another blockbuster movie its the same as working front line at McDonald's.

[80sbaby]

The problem I have with this is...Joss accused of being a jerk. Why do we care?

Anyways the more telling thing is Ray Fisher hasn't gotten another major gig...that tells me he's a toxic head case.

Well call me crazy but I like to know if a person I'm supporting is a POS. That way I can choose not to continue to spend money on them, which would only help them continue to abuse others. Also, empathy.

And as has been pointed out, Fisher is still getting work. So your post is wrong on a few levels.

[Nods]

He's done True Detective and currently in Women of the movement. He's still getting work

Well True Detective was before the incident...and frankly I don't remember him in it I don't know what Women of the Movement is looking at the ratings it's third in it's time slot.

[Kirby101]

I thought he was so-so in ZSJL. The character was well done, but his acting was generic. He doesn't light up the screen.
Doesn't mean he is wrong about Whedon.