Joss Whedon Speaks About JL For The First Time: Calls Ray Fisher ‘A Bad Actor’

[Goldrake]

The problem is, whomever is in charge in the future, he or she is going to get grief from Ray if he's not allowed to portray Cyborg again. I think most people understand this now, too.

That is why Cyborg will never have a movie. People move on, he will be forgotten.

[Holt]

Millions of Europeans ended slaves in the Barbary states, women in harems, men as eunuchs. Millions of arabs also ended slaves of europeans.
The first foreign war of the U.S. was against the Barbary states, one of the reasons was americans being captured as slaves.

Okay? Tenchar

[Holt]

The problem is, whomever is in charge in the future, he or she is going to get grief from Ray if he's not allowed to portray Cyborg again. I think most people understand this now, too.

They’re 100 percent dropping the character. I think it’s way more likely one of the Green Lanterns will be used to add diversity to whatever JL roster comes out of Flashpoint.

[The Darknight Detective]

They’re 100 percent dropping the character. I think it’s way more likely one of the Green Lanterns will be used to add diversity to whatever JL roster comes out of Flashpoint.

Yep. Cyborg is radioactive at the present time.

[Goldrake]

Yep. Cyborg is radioactive at the present time.

and it is a pity, at the end it is the character that has been damaged.

[SecretWarrior]

There's an entire racial history regarding the castration of black men in the U.S. that there isn't simply for white people, so yes, it's entirely possible. If that's not an issue for you, whatever, but if a black actor says they're made uncomfortable by the implications of the one black dude on the team having his dick blown off, he's well within his right to criticize.

Before someone says you're on your own on this, I'll step in to say you're right. In fact, this has been a consistent discussion topic since Cyborg was promoted in 2011. Fans have been making fun of it too.

[SecretWarrior]

Millions of Europeans ended slaves in the Barbary states, women in harems, men as eunuchs. Millions of arabs also ended slaves of europeans.
The first foreign war of the U.S. was against the Barbary states, one of the reasons was americans being captured as slaves.

Okay, and what were the long-term, systemic implications for their descendants?

[Primal Slayer]

and it is a pity, at the end it is the character that has been damaged.

I wouldnt say the character has been damaged. He's currently enjoying being part of the very successful Doom Patrol. His time as big timer though? (which funninly enough, is because of Geoff Johns in the first place) is somewhat over. Johns is partially why Cyborg was part of the JL roster and now Johns is partially why Cyborg will not be part of the JL roster for the foreseeable future.

[Goldrake]

Okay, and what were the long-term, systemic implications for their descendants?

Endless wars, which ended with European countries establishing colonies, Independence wars like that of Algeria with France.

Something different but still relevant 80 years ago Germany "enslaved" half europe, millions ended killed, genocide, atrocities as never seen in history, people in gas chambers, nowadays the descendants have moved on. The survivors learned to reach out and live in peace. Occasionally you find some who haven't forgot but most of the people have. Nobody brings the subject anymore.

The problem in the U.S. is that the divisions cannot heal without real reach out. Seems often that there is neither any real attempt to do that from neither side. Seems convenient for both sides to keep things as they are.

[SecretWarrior]

Endless wars, which ended with European countries establishing colonies, Independence wars like that of Algeria with France.

Something different but still relevant 80 years ago Germany "enslaved" half europe, millions ended killed, genocide, atrocities as never seen in history, people in gas chambers, nowadays the descendants have moved on. The survivors learned to reach out and live in peace. Occasionally you find some who haven't forgot but most of the people have. Nobody brings the subject anymore.

The problem in the U.S. is that the divisions cannot heal without real reach out. Seems often that there is neither any real attempt to do that from neither side. Seems convenient for both sides to keep things as they are.

So nothing systemic to an individual society, since you could go home to the first world and not be dsicrimated againt--the exceptions being for Jews and Roma.

[Goldrake]

So nothing systemic to an individual society, since you could go home to the first world and not be dsicrimated againt--the exceptions being for Jews and Roma.

This a little OT
Nothing systemic to an individual society? millions died on the madness of a theory of a superior race and you say nothing systemic? They overcame that despite the horrors it caused.
Jews are not anymore discriminated in Germany neither in any EU country despite millenia of discrimination and ghettoization. You don't find Jewish Ghettos anymore something common in Europe before WWII.
They have moved on. Occasionally you find some extreme fringe that is despised by the rest.

Romani people are still, especially in the former communist countries, they also tend to live apart in western countries never really wanting to integrate. That creates at times tension. Europe also had the IRA, ETA, but they managed to overcome the divisions.

As someone who has lived in the U.S. a country a I love, what I see is a division with no real attempt to heal that division. Racism is a big problem but at times the racist card is used unnecessary, even on petty issues. It should be used on serious issues only.

Unfortunately the U.S. sounds today like what European politics was 50/60 years, politics in the USA are 50 years backwards. The ones on the right are happy to be stupid with conspiracy theories etc, while the ones on the left think socialism is a solution, when in most democratic countries socialist parties hardly call themselves that way anymore or embrace those old fashion politics.
Until people in the US are seen as voting blocks that politicians play on, nothing will change.

[Goldrake]

I know it's really no one's business, but...has anyone actually seen Geoff Johns' supposed black wife?
Just out of curiosity. I'm not suggesting that anyone is lying there, but I'm also aware you can call A LOT of things black. For example, my white great grandmother, white grandmother, and white dad are convinced they're black, but I doubt anyone would ever think that if they actually saw them

My great grandmother, who was originally from Virginia, would always even tell the story using the literal words, "If you had ONE DROP of black in you, you were black!"

as for that he is of Lebanese origin himself, his mother is lebanese if not mistaken. So he comes from a minority.

[Primal Slayer]

I know it's really no one's business, but...has anyone actually seen Geoff Johns' supposed black wife?
Just out of curiosity. I'm not suggesting that anyone is lying there, but I'm also aware you can call A LOT of things black. For example, my white great grandmother, white grandmother, and white dad are convinced they're black, but I doubt anyone would ever think that if they actually saw them

My great grandmother, who was originally from Virginia, would always even tell the story using the literal words, "If you had ONE DROP of black in you, you were black!"

Thats kind of ridiculous. She's also spoken in support of him. if she were another Rachel Dolezal...we'd know.

[Goldrake]

Thats kind of ridiculous. She's also spoken in support of him. if she were another Rachel Dolezal...we'd know.

these are her words
"will always believe he is innocent of these racist stories and fictitious allegations against him."

"I am a proud, beautiful, strong, and intelligent black woman from Louisiana and I ran to California to escape real racism," Dorsey said in a statement to the site. "Geoff has enjoyed and been a part of a black family since 2000 and someone’s bad feelings cannot erase that time nor the truth."

[SecretWarrior]

This a little OT
Nothing systemic to an individual society? millions died on the madness of a theory of a superior race and you say nothing systemic? They overcame that despite the horrors it caused.
Jews are not anymore discriminated in Germany neither in any EU country despite millenia of discrimination and ghettoization. You don't find Jewish Ghettos anymore something common in Europe before WWII.
They have moved on. Occasionally you find some extreme fringe that is despised by the rest.

Romani people are still, especially in the former communist countries, they also tend to live apart in western countries never really wanting to integrate. That creates at times tension. Europe also had the IRA, ETA, but they managed to overcome the divisions.

As someone who has lived in the U.S. a country a I love, what I see is a division with no real attempt to heal that division. Racism is a big problem but at times the racist card is used unnecessary, even on petty issues. It should be used on serious issues only.

Unfortunately the U.S. sounds today like what European politics was 50/60 years, politics in the USA are 50 years backwards. The ones on the right are happy to be stupid with conspiracy theories etc, while the ones on the left think socialism is a solution, when in most democratic countries socialist parties hardly call themselves that way anymore or embrace those old fashion politics.
Until people in the US are seen as voting blocks that politicians play on, nothing will change.

I can barely hear you since your head is still in the sand.