The ST was massive at the box office.
I know a lot of YouTubers are trying very hard to argue otherwise but with the exception of Solo, the Disney/Lucasfilm Star Wars have been very successful at the box office.
The ST was massive at the box office.
I know a lot of YouTubers are trying very hard to argue otherwise but with the exception of Solo, the Disney/Lucasfilm Star Wars have been very successful at the box office.
Yeah but the Jedi are generally shown as righteous and above politics so why wouldn't they press the matter more? And why couldn't they figure out Palpatine was behind all this. Dooku basically spelled it out
Yeah but then he was right back to being a good guy after killing the Tusken Raiders. His descent wasn't consistent
I meant artistically. The ST is no doubt financially successful but I don't think that point is being argued here
The Jedi being "above politics" is what screwed them over in the first place. Palpatine wasn't fighting the Jedi using the Force, he was using politics himself. He used the image of a benevolent, fairly-elected leader to manipulate the situation in his favor, while the Jedi's apathy towards politics left them running blind. They were getting suspicious of Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith when his power grabs became more obvious, but his position, Anakin's loyalty to him and pressure to focus on ending the war made it impossible to do anything about it.
The situation is a lot more complicated than "the Jedi were idiots". Perhaps the movie needed better acting and less stupid dialogue to get this across, but the message is still there.
You expect the Jedi to take a guy they already know is a Sith and is the main face of the separatist movement, at his word?Dooku basically spelled it out
It was a process. Anakin's fall from grace wasn't him simply doing one terrible thing and then going over to the Dark Side. It was a continuing series of mounting tragedies, manipulations from Palpatine and Anakin's own emotional stuntedness dragging him down. That's not inconsistency, that's him struggling not to fall and failing.Yeah but then he was right back to being a good guy after killing the Tusken Raiders. His descent wasn't consistent
You're right, that does happen, but she didn't even seem fazed at all by that. If she had shown some level of disgust and/or disappointment, then Anakin smooth-talked his way back into her good graces, it would be more believable to me. Otherwise she comes off as callous at best, not just love-stricken
If the movie didn't get the message across, then it failed in that respect. I'm not sure how that makes the PT good.
And my point is their apathy should've led the Jedi, or at least Obi-Wan, to not care about the political blowback of further investigating the Chancellor
Of course not. I wouldn't trust Dooku, but that doesn't mean everything he says is necessarily incorrect.
But it wasn't continuous. He does one reprehensible thing in AotC, then is a goody goody, then flips after helping Palpatine murder Mace. That's far from consistent. Nothing prior to him killing the Tusken Raiders showed he was that willing to murder. People said he was overly emotional but that's not what his actions indicated.
I doubt the financial success of either trilogy is really debatable
They didn't start suspecting the Chancellor until the third movie where his power grabs were becoming more obvious. They did send Anakin to spy on him and that blew up in their faces. Palpatine was just that much better at political maneuvering.
As I said, both the prequels and the sequels have strengths and weaknesses. One is more coherent than the other, but perhaps not by that much.
What possible reason would they have to take him at his word? For all they know, he was trying to send them on a wild goose chase that would leave them too distracted to fight the war.Of course not. I wouldn't trust Dooku, but that doesn't mean everything he says is necessarily incorrect.
This ignores a lot of how Anakin is depicted in the films. He's frequently shown to be disrespectful and impulsive, he kills Count Dooku when the latter is defenseless, he has a secret marriage that he tells no one about. Saying he killed the Tuskans, then acted like a goody goody, then became bad just isn't accurate, even if you're looking at just the movies. Anakin's potential problems were all but spelled out in the Phantom Menace when Mace Windu warned that the boy's emotional attachments would be an issue.But it wasn't continuous. He does one reprehensible thing in AotC, then is a goody goody, then flips after helping Palpatine murder Mace. That's far from consistent. Nothing prior to him killing the Tusken Raiders showed he was that willing to murder. People said he was overly emotional but that's not what his actions indicated.
I would say the PT were terrible movies, but at least introduced lots of new ideas that other creators were able to make hay with via animated series.
otoh the ST didn't particularly introduce a lot of new ideas, and what new ones were there (Finn & Jannah as reformed Stormtroopers) were barely explored, and unlike with the PT, there seems to be little appetite to explore the aftermath of the ST, at least thus far. instead we are getting tv and comic series that are largely set between PT and OT or between OT and ST.
I did think Force Awakens was OK, even if it was largely a "greatest hits" collection i did like Rey, Finn, and Poe in that movie. Unfortunately the other two movies did very little for me and RoS in particular made me want to forget the entire trilogy. Way to go, Lucasfilms!
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Not in an abolished sense no… but in a comparative sense, and in terms of a maximized profit efficiency one, the OT is still the clear king, the PT ends up as a surprising second, and the ST ends up a distant third.
Ideally, any trilogy starting with TFA’s direct (box office) and indirect (merchandise, excitement for the next films) success should probably have maintained that kind of monster pacing, or even increased it. Instead, the direct profit percentage dropped by half - don’t get me wrong, a Billion dollars (TROS) is a Billion dollars… but it’s not 2 billion dollars (TFA), and while all businessman would be happy to see 1.3 Billion dollars (TLJ), they’d also like to have another 700 million guaranteed rather than lost.
And the merchandise sales and excitement for the brand tanked in comparison to where it started - with more than a few people seeing TLJ’s depressing and disappointing strategies and goals undermining the already shaky and ultimately lost cause of Solo.
Plus, merchandise genuinely tanked, and interest in the era effectively died.
The Mandalorian and it’s accompanying shows have effectively superseded the ST, because they maintain much more positive excitement, a growing audience with growing interest, and have clearly superior merchandise sales, without any way to see them as potentially derailing other franchise material like TLJ did to Solo.
It’s a bit like how Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron are objectively successful films, and how Ike Perlmutter was an objectively successful executive for Marvel cinematic products… but all three were recognized as dead ends or even liabilities to maximum profit and goodwill.
Someone at LFL played the Perlmutter role of discouraging and sabotaging Rey and Finn in favor of Ben Solo and trashing Luke’s return to the screen, and Filoni and Favreau seem to have stepped into the Feige role of making sure the franchise has more profitable assets and fewer liability story decisions.
Like, Book of Boba Fett has some shaky execution… but there’s nothing driving people away as much as Reylo or Sad Luke - and if anything, it turns out the conventional Jedi Master Luke simply brings more people in. And there’s no one sabotaging the successful non-white or male actors like Rian Johnson did, so that’s a plus too…
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All nine films of the "Skywalker saga" were nominated for Academy Awards, with wins going to the first two releases. Together with the theatrical live action "anthology" films Rogue One (2016) and Solo (2018), the combined box office revenue of the films equated to over US$10 billion, which makes it the second-highest-grossing film franchise of all time.An additional film, Rogue Squadron, is planned for release. A number of other films, including an independent trilogy, are suggested to be in development.
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Lucasfilm has a number of Star Wars films in development, two of which were confirmed during Disney Investor Day 2020. The first will be a film titled Rogue Squadron, which is being directed by Patty Jenkins. The second is an unspecified film from Taika Waititi, who in May 2020 was announced to be directing a Star Wars film he was co-writing with Krysty Wilson-Cairns.Additionally, a trilogy independent from the Skywalker saga is being written by The Last Jedi writer/director Rian Johnson. In September 2019, it was announced that Kathleen Kennedy and Kevin Feige would collaborate to develop a Star Wars film.In February 2020, a film was announced to be in development from director J. D. Dillard and writer Matt Owens.