The worst thing you can say about the sequels is that they are very, very dull.
Last edited by Timothy Hunter; 01-20-2022 at 09:17 AM.
I think it's just because of the comparisons between the PT and ST.
The PT weren't masterpieces but as some others have pointed out, they had a coherent vision and plot. And it brought in new characters (some from the existing expanded universe at the time) instead of very foolishly tossing everything aside which the ST did.
The ST kind of just fell apart and Lucasfilm had to perform "recovery" operations with TROS.
Filoni also sort of pitched the idea of a demoralized Luke back in 2014:
“I think Luke understands that it’s not about what he wants. It’s not about what he gains. It’s frankly about what everybody else gained. Sometimes, you have to be the one that carries that burden and becomes that vessel. These aren’t characters that go and get married. They don’t get over the scar. Frodo [from The Lord of the Rings] carries the ring to Mount Doom and for the rest of his life is plagued with fear. On certain days, he remembers those pains. Because he has to carry that burden. And Frodo has no peace until he leaves that world. Luke is that character.”
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Last edited by the illustrious mr. kenway; 01-20-2022 at 01:11 PM.
Dunno, we got two good movies out of the sequels and the third had its moments. Uneven to be sure, but that's par for the course.
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The prequels and sequels suffer from opposite problems.
I actually think the sequels are fairly well made, with a lot of love and care taken into the craft. The problem seems to be a managment issue. The prequels and Originals were spaced out three years apart, this gave everyone enough time to write a script and essentially make a movie.
Disney wanted a new Star Wars every year, rotating between main and spin off. The problem here is that essentially you’re factory making a movie.
On top of that, there was no outline for what would happen. Even George Lucas knew where he wanted the Original movie to go, even if it was a faint line for a singular movie.
On paper, the sequels are good movies. But the execution leaves a lot to be desired.
Saying that, I think the Last Jedi is the best SW outside of the original trilogy, and in many ways, The Force Awakens plays out like a better paced New Hope.
Its The Rise of Skywalker that effectively breaks the trilogy (and the Saga as a whole), which leads me back to the Legends Canon.
The prequels on other hand had its heart in the right place. I feel sorry for George a bit there as it was obvious he didn’t want to make these movies.
However they are terrible, almost unwatchable. The effects, acting and writing is so bad that it kind of destroys any enjoyability I could have for this series.
But Lucas wanted to tell a particular story, and he did.
Honestly, I don’t think Lucas knows why Star Wars was popular in the first place, and I think he gave into his worst impulses with those movies, especially attack of the clones.
People tend to forget, the prequels were considered a joke for years. I mean there’s an entire movie called Fanboys in which the punchline is ‘Phantom Menace sucks’.
The recent approval for them mostly comes from nostalgia, and the fact that the new sucks so the old must be good.
The new does suck, but the old was worse.
They didn't have a coherent plot, though. It was messy and it inconsistent because of the execution
That doesn't make the movie good, then.
That's not true to me. There's some enjoyable moments in the ST
Last edited by CosmiComic; 01-20-2022 at 06:35 PM.
We will agree to disagree then.They didn't have a coherent plot, though. It was messy and it inconsistent because of the execution
Like I said before, I can't really think of a single thing the ST did better than the PT.
Not one.
I mean everyone can argue about the quality of the films. But Lucas had a plot for the prequels. No way there was a coherent plot for the sequels. It was like a jam band. I don't know what was going on.
Exactly.
The ST introduced literally retconned characters backstories and motivations within the same narrative.
It all culminated with that absolutely ridiculous return of the Emperor which wasn’t even explained (???).
The PT was a coherent work that was rounded up nicely. They weren’t perfect but there was logical consistency to the movies that the ST ultimately didn’t have. And it didn’t attempt to recreate scenes from the older movies (like The Force Awakens did).
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Actually the movie probably got problems, but it did show the flaw of the old Jedi order and the old republic quite well
Also the PT greatly expanded the universe and left so much potential. The ST left a very dull era which doesn't even make too much sense.
Last edited by Slowpokeking; 01-20-2022 at 09:18 PM.