Marauders Annual review *spoilers*

[Anduinel]

Wait, I see speedos. So he wasn't actually naked?

Into the trash he goes.


Funny you should mention that. In Vecchio's Marvel Unlimited one-shot, Iceman is actually unsure about his thing with Christian, too.

Given that there's strategically-placed plant life in front of his nethers, my guess is that the original art depicted him naked (which is much more in line with the text) and someone in editorial said it wasn't enough. So someone added two lines to turn side cheek into tighty whities.

[Fokken]

Ugh! I am really not liking this Sommus person, he feels like a creep, great way of introducing a new character. I will give it a chance just for Tempo and Kwanon.

As an homosexual man I am very disappointed with how the X-Office have handled Christian and Iceman relationship, have they even had a meaningful conversation in the Krakoa era?

I mean, MANY homosexual men have shallow and/or vapid "relationships" with other men, often exclusively for their "physical" company, so..... I'm not mad at seeing the less romantic side of gay interpersonal dynamics. If Christian and Bobby are simply basic **** buddies, so be it.

Edit: Maybe I'm misunderstanding people's assessments.
I'll have to get my copy this afternoon and see for myself.

[CGAR]

Wait?? Was there really an Elias Bogan mention???

[Journey]

Main beef artist refuse to not let Bobby be walking Ice 24/7 also Christian Frost is Emma's OLDER brother he should be like 35 that man should be a Dilf why do they draw him like that?

[Kingdom X]

I mean, there's really no need to villainize Somnus because everything he does in this issue is completely explained and everyone's voluntarily on board with it by all accounts? Like, I'm not loving the rush to view him as predatory when that's just.....not what's going on. The thing with Iceman and Christian is he basically gives them the dream prom night neither of them ever got because Bobby was busy being an X-Man and fighting life or death battles in high school and Christian was locked up in a mental institution by his homophobic father....who in the 'dream' that both Bobby and Christian are fully aware is a dream, thus making it pretty clear they know what's happening is a result of the dream powers of the guy in the hot tub with them, and are fine with.....like point being, in the dream scenario, a vestige of Christian's father and his bigotry is like, trying to denounce Christian, who literally just takes the opportunity to rub his slow dance with Bobby in his father's dream face. Somnus is only there because he HAD to be there to initiate the dream, that's pretty clearly established as how his power works, and he just kinda unobtrusively stands on the sidelines of the dream like a chaperone at the prom, staying out of the way while Bobby and Christian have their slow dance with Somnus showing no desire to cut in or make it about him.

And he's really not like....doing anything in the issue to mess with Aurora and Akihiro's relationship, or trying to cut in there either? He and Akihiro met decades ago and had a one night stand that was amplified into an extended dream sequence by Carl's powers - with it being likely it wasn't even deliberate on Carl's part since they were both young at the time and he never actually got any official training with them, and Akihiro's literally the one who asked to have Carl resurrected, with Aurora there and informed of their history from the jump.

To clarify, nowhere in the issue does Somnus express resentment or confusion about the two of them being in a relationship, his history with Akihiro is explicitly referenced as HISTORY that predates the relationship with Aurora by several decades, and Somnus is pretty explicitly characterized as "I'm helping to rescue Akihiro because they think I might have insights that could help given our knowledge of each other from an extended dream-life together, but just because I still have feelings for him doesn't mean I'm interested in disrespecting his current relationship or trying to win him back at Aurora's expense."

Sorry, just.....feels like a lot of jumping to conclusions about him when the issue explicitly lays out the dynamics in such a way as there's not really any need to reach for conclusions or assumptions. Don't get me wrong, if you don't like the dynamics as laid out or buy them as believable, that's like, one thing, but the assumption of this new character as predatory based on a handful of out of context lines isn't....that. Y'know?

Agree with all of this. Since his inception I've seen posters compare him to a TW: spoilers:

rapist

end of spoilers, and it very much seems like people were ready to vilify the character and give him really horrific attributes when that's not what's actually happening in the story.

[Saithor]

Agree with all of this. Since his inception I've seen posters compare him to a TW: spoilers:

rapist

end of spoilers, and it very much seems like people were ready to vilify the character and give him really horrific attributes when that's not what's actually happening in the story.

I'll agree with this. If people are willing to give Akihiro a pass we can definitely give Sommnus one.

[NewMutant]

Main beef artist refuse to not let Bobby be walking Ice 24/7 also Christian Frost is Emma's OLDER brother he should be like 35 that man should be a Dilf why do they draw him like that?

Iceman was in his ICE form in the HOT tub. That stuff is sloppy to me.

Seems like Christian might be in this book randomly as the Red Monarch now...?

[NewMutant]

I was not a great fan of the art but this was a stellar first issue. I love references to the original Marauders. The Xavier betrayed his dream/ mutant supremacy, co-exist stuff was inspired and hope we get more of. What was "in the box" was a let down at this point... way over hyped.

[Journey]

Iceman was in his ICE form in the HOT tub. That stuff is sloppy to me.

Seems like Christian might be in this book randomly as the Red Monarch now...?

It is sloppy yet artist refuse to let him not be ice, IDK why that ain't romantic at all Bobby already naturally Frigid don't need the iceshell 24/7 touching that bare handed can't be pleasant. IDK what's happening with those 2 Duggan did nothing with them IDK if their even a couple.

[Grunty]

Wait, is this story implying anyone who rejects Krakoa and believes normal humans and mutants should still seek to co-exist is also a blood thirsty angry part of a mob who will cheer public executions?

[Saithor]

Wait, is this story implying anyone who rejects Krakoa and believes normal humans and mutants should still seek to co-exist is also a blood thirsty angry part of a mob who will cheer public executions?

Considering the discussions the characters have, I think they are not going for that...it's admittedly not the best way to show it.

[Kingdom X]

Wait, is this story implying anyone who rejects Krakoa and believes normal humans and mutants should still seek to co-exist is also a blood thirsty angry part of a mob who will cheer public executions?

No but i do think that it was showing that “allies” that get this mad when a group doesn’t act the way they want them to were never allies in the first. I also think Orlando was moreso making a statement about bad faith actors like Brimstone Love who don’t actually believe in what they’re saying but will use their charisma to get a rise out of people.

[LordUltimus]

Yeahhh, Brimstone Love is a maniac obsessed with pain and cruelty, that manipulates those around him like a cult leader...but he is still have a point that the comic fails to address, because Krakoa is not about coexistence, even if specific humans can live in it, they are the exception, not the rule.

Because that is what Xavier said in his speech when creating Krakoa, that he was abandoning coexistence as a false dream. And while in private he has said otherwise, nothing that Krakoa has done in a public way, has shown that they follow the dream, so Kate, if you want people to believe in coexistence, better prove with actions, not empty words.

I mean, in the issue one character mentions that "towels" are a human concept and while is meant to be more of a funny joke, it shows that Krakoans considers themselves above humanity, not part of it, because that idea, "x is a human concept that doesn't work for us", is something that keeps popping up in this era beyond Hickman.

[Grunty]

No but i do think that it was showing that “allies” that get this mad when a group doesn’t act the way they want them to were never allies in the first. I also think Orlando was moreso making a statement about bad faith actors like Brimstone Love who don’t actually believe in what they’re saying but will use their charisma to get a rise out of people.

Oh good point. Couldn't read the issue yet, so i was wondering by how the summary made it sound.

[Glio]

Oh, I like the approach of the new villain. The idea of entitled people like "I support you and I don't get MY REWARD? I HATE YOU" reminds me of many men who get angry when they treat a woman well and say that they are feminist and she doesn't want to sleep with them.