Would you read a Mary Jane/Black Cat ongoing?

[shooshoomanjoe]

I'd give it a shot. Back in the '90s, when Larsen and Michellinie (sp) were working on Amazing Spider-Man, MJ ad Felicia had an interesting dynamic going on.

[Lukmendes]

At least I don't expect McKay to get as ridiculous as the Savage Six fight (I know, I know...Shocker, but still).

I mean, McKay made Felicia defeat a magician by making her probability manipulation power change the effects of magic, which's bad writing near the levels of Miles powered by Bendisforce lol.

I'm not saying I expect McKay to repeat that, but if he can come up with bullshit like that, I wouldn't be surprised if he made MJ win a fight in a bullshit way that makes her dealing with Savage Six look tame if he felt like it lol.

Kind of like Superman and Lois, although I guess that would still make it seem like a Black Cat book since it's a Superman show at the end of the day...but still .

Yeah and I'm not a fan of that either lol.

Yeah, you know those people that only open a comicbook when a hot half naked woman is on the cover? Exactly the target Marvel was aiming at with this issue.

Might as well buy porn, or hell, read manga, the fanservice in western comics is really low tier by comparison.

[Frontier]

I mean, McKay made Felicia defeat a magician by making her probability manipulation power change the effects of magic, which's bad writing near the levels of Miles powered by Bendisforce lol.

I'm not saying I expect McKay to repeat that, but if he can come up with bullshit like that, I wouldn't be surprised if he made MJ win a fight in a bullshit way that makes her dealing with Savage Six look tame if he felt like it lol.

I feel like that fits into the difficult to quantify nature of "bad luck powers" so I don't see the issue. Again, I give more credit to McKay's writing here.

Yeah and I'm not a fan of that either lol.

Having said that, Superman and Lois is great .

[Lukmendes]

I feel like that fits into the difficult to quantify nature of "bad luck powers" so I don't see the issue. Again, I give more credit to McKay's writing here.

Eh, it's horribly poorly written bullshit to me, even if we ignore how this interaction between magic and luck manipulation never happened, it just looks bizarre how Felicia's bad luck powers got buffed in that one fight to such an extent she was practically immune to magic, like she suddenly got Jojo's D4C levels of luck manipulation power against magic, and she practically just walked into that magician, punched him in the face, and won, with absolutely no effort thanks to a really boring asspull.

If this was done in a more creative way, where Felicia's bad luck powers could mess with some spells but not others, and she would have to actually put a minimal amount of effort into beating the guy, then even if it's still not an interaction between magic and luck manipulation that happened before, at least it would give Felicia a cool gimmick for that fight, maybe even magic in general, but not make her fucking invincible to it.

So yeah, I detest that battle, it's Felicia's own "Miles powered by Bendisforce" moment.

Having said that, Superman and Lois is great .

If it's the TV series I remember not caring too much about it, if it's something else I haven't checked out.

[Frontier]

Eh, it's horribly poorly written bullshit to me, even if we ignore how this interaction between magic and luck manipulation never happened, it just looks bizarre how Felicia's bad luck powers got buffed in that one fight to such an extent she was practically immune to magic, like she suddenly got Jojo's D4C levels of luck manipulation power against magic, and she practically just walked into that magician, punched him in the face, and won, with absolutely no effort thanks to a really boring asspull.

If this was done in a more creative way, where Felicia's bad luck powers could mess with some spells but not others, and she would have to actually put a minimal amount of effort into beating the guy, then even if it's still not an interaction between magic and luck manipulation that happened before, at least it would give Felicia a cool gimmick for that fight, maybe even magic in general, but not make her fucking invincible to it.

So yeah, I detest that battle, it's Felicia's own "Miles powered by Bendisforce" moment.

I remember it coming across better on the page, but maybe I need to reread it.

If it's the TV series I remember not caring too much about it, if it's something else I haven't checked out.

It's the TV series. I'm sorry you didn't seem to jive with it much, but I think it's one of the best DC shows out right now.

[Agent Z]

I mean, McKay made Felicia defeat a magician by making her probability manipulation power change the effects of magic, which's bad writing near the levels of Miles powered by Bendisforce lol.

The magician in question hadn't had access to his powers in years and was more than a little rusty when using them. It isn't like McKay had Felicia take on Dr. Strange at his strongest.

Yeah, no. The issue was fun, but seeing MJ climbing a skyscraper and jumping off like it was nothing was ridiculous.

As opposed to when Felicia, Draedevil and Hawkeye do it?

You guys are acting like McKay had MJ taking on Dr. Doom, Ultron, Galactus, Magneto and Dormammu all at once and winning.

[Spiderfan001]

As opposed to when Felicia, Draedevil and Hawkeye do it?

You guys are acting like McKay had MJ taking on Dr. Doom, Ultron, Galactus, Magneto and Dormammu all at once and winning.

Yeah it is.They're Ninjas and professionals w/ decades of experience and training.They are the best in the business

This is like saying an avg. fit person could perform olympic level gymnastics on first try

This is bendisforce level PIS, same logic can be used to defend that.Miles's Venom Blast only took out Blackheart, not Dr. Doom, Ultron, Galactus, Magneto and Dormammu all at once.As opposed to when Nightmare or the Beyonders pull smth on that level...

[Agent Z]

Yeah it is.They're Ninjas and professionals w/ decades of experience and training.They are the best in the business

She's done action movies before and is used to swinging from great heights with Peter. Either way, it is not the most egregious thing.

This is bendisforce level PIS, same logic can be used to defend that.Miles's Venom Blast only took out Blackheart, not Dr. Doom, Ultron, Galactus, Magneto and Dormammu all at once.As opposed to when Nightmare or the Beyonders pull smth on that level...

All she did was run away from Tombstone. That's it. You don't need to be a superhero to pull that off.

[TinkerSpider]

All she did was run away from Tombstone. That's it. You don't need to be a superhero to pull that off.

Contestants on the Amazing Race have run down the side of a skyscraper as part of a challenge. If they can do it, MJ can do it.

[Alan2099]

All she did was run away from Tombstone. That's it. You don't need to be a superhero to pull that off.

Oh yeah? Well how many people do YOU know that have run from Tombstone?

[Agent Z]

Oh yeah? Well how many people do YOU know that have run from Tombstone?

Joseph Joestar.

[Huntsman Spider]

Joseph Joestar.

I didn't know Joseph Joestar was related to Joseph "Robbie" Robertson.

[Agent Z]

I didn't know Joseph Joestar was related to Joseph "Robbie" Robertson.

Not the craziest theory.

[Huntsman Spider]

Not the craziest theory.

Hmm, ok, then.

[Mister Mets]

The premise is only as limited as the person writing. If they can't come up for an idea for an ongoing that features two characters promoted then no it shouldn't exist but if they can then why shouldn't it. There are a lot of assumptions that imo are really creative poison. Like "this can't happen just because it hasn't."


How about some valid concrete reasons. Like Mary Jane can't be in an ongoing because she... Not just ambiguous objections.

Some characters can fit better than others. There have been series that successfully combo disparate characters, like Luke Cage & Iron Fist, or Black Canary & Oracle.

Black Cat can be paired with a lot of characters. Black Cat is a thief who is usually on the side of the good guys.

Given the superhero genre, MJ is tougher. Mary Jane is a supporting character who has worked as a psychology student, model and actress. She's not really an action lead.