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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanlos View Post
    For some reason people just see her gender and seeks to leverage coquetish kitty girl fantasy tropes. Even with Rucka's redesign her appearance in say the Snyder League focuses on making her cute and sexy rather than powerful and werebeast like in build.
    I agree with you, on the gender issue. We also have to account for this unwritten well of disdain for WW and her related characters. I think a good editor should be more aware of that and protective of these characters, because of it.
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    Reading the Golden Age omnibuses, I'm impressed how Priscilla was such a viable threat when she was just a "crazy" socialite in a costume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchboy View Post
    Reading the Golden Age omnibuses, I'm impressed how Priscilla was such a viable threat when she was just a "crazy" socialite in a costume.
    And she was def not the "weakest link" at any point during those appearances.
    Keep in mind that you have about as much chance of changing my mind as I do of changing yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonogram12 View Post
    And she was def not the "weakest link" at any point during those appearances.
    A normal woman against a super powered amazon is not a 'weak link'?!?

    I would love for a current version of Priscilla Rich take on a gifted by the gods Diana or a daughter of Zeus Diana. The current image should be Godzilla meets Bambi with a giant 'splat' for a sound effect.

    https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...MygBegUIARC8AQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiteTheBullet View Post
    A normal woman against a super powered amazon is not a 'weak link'?!?

    I would love for a current version of Priscilla Rich take on a gifted by the gods Diana or a daughter of Zeus Diana. The current image should be Godzilla meets Bambi with a giant 'splat' for a sound effect.

    https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...MygBegUIARC8AQ
    I mean, those stories were good. Rich didn't need to bench press a mountain or outpace the speed of light to make those stories hella entertaining. Sometimes I think comic fans forget that it isn't just power sets that make stories a good read or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phonogram12 View Post
    I mean, those stories were good. Rich didn't need to bench press a mountain or outpace the speed of light to make those stories hella entertaining. Sometimes I think comic fans forget that it isn't just power sets that make stories a good read or not.
    It's also like people forget that Lex Luthor is a formidable threat to Superman despite being a "normal human" too. Priscilla constantly outsmarted Diana in the 40s and managed to elude her attempts to redeem her each time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyssane View Post
    It's also like people forget that Lex Luthor is a formidable threat to Superman despite being a "normal human" too. Priscilla constantly outsmarted Diana in the 40s and managed to elude her attempts to redeem her each time.
    Agreed. Look, I'm not saying that characters like Cheetah shouldn't be formidable. I'm just saying that there are more ways to show that than being physically invincible.
    Keep in mind that you have about as much chance of changing my mind as I do of changing yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiteTheBullet View Post
    A normal woman against a super powered amazon is not a 'weak link'?!?

    I would love for a current version of Priscilla Rich take on a gifted by the gods Diana or a daughter of Zeus Diana. The current image should be Godzilla meets Bambi with a giant 'splat' for a sound effect.

    https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...MygBegUIARC8AQ
    Fellow fan, remember how Diana's powers worked during the Golden Age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonogram12 View Post
    Agreed. Look, I'm not saying that characters like Cheetah shouldn't be formidable. I'm just saying that there are more ways to show that than being physically invincible.
    Depends on the character and how you approach things. Barbra version of Cheetah is supposed to be a powerful being. She has no reason to be treated as the punching bag of a woman in a cat suit, just because she is the more popular cat character and the writer wanted a cat fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiteTheBullet View Post
    A normal woman against a super powered amazon is not a 'weak link'?!?

    I would love for a current version of Priscilla Rich take on a gifted by the gods Diana or a daughter of Zeus Diana. The current image should be Godzilla meets Bambi with a giant 'splat' for a sound effect.

    https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...MygBegUIARC8AQ
    I feel the need to remind everyone that Cheetah in "Challenge of the Superfriends" was Priscilla.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuJhX-blW1s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmC434WZLSU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRlkPem82fE

    Priscilla was a legit threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhawkman View Post
    I feel the need to remind everyone that Cheetah in "Challenge of the Superfriends" was Priscilla.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuJhX-blW1s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmC434WZLSU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRlkPem82fE

    Priscilla was a legit threat.
    She even became WW for a hot second.




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    Quote Originally Posted by marhawkman View Post
    I feel the need to remind everyone that Cheetah in "Challenge of the Superfriends" was Priscilla.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuJhX-blW1s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmC434WZLSU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRlkPem82fE

    Priscilla was a legit threat.
    What people generally ask is: if in a fair fight, 2 people battle without external factors involved, who would win. That's the point. Inconsistent writing where a human trades blows with a super human or a God with no explanation, it just creates inconsistencies and plot holes. Anyone can defeat anyone under certain circumstances. If the writers give a good reason. It wasn't the case in this catwoman film. Cheetah was simply thown under the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyssane View Post
    It's also like people forget that Lex Luthor is a formidable threat to Superman despite being a "normal human" too. Priscilla constantly outsmarted Diana in the 40s and managed to elude her attempts to redeem her each time.
    The Joker may also be a crafty SOB and can surprise people with some outbursts of strength that one wouldn't expect from his wiry frame. But fighting Batman directly is seldom his thing, and there's a reason why he has Harley and other thugs around. And why he tends to fold pretty quickly when things get physical and he doesn't have the element of surprise.

    When did being an arch nemesis get dumbed down to "hitting real hard"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BiteTheBullet View Post
    A normal woman against a super powered amazon is not a 'weak link'?!?

    I would love for a current version of Priscilla Rich take on a gifted by the gods Diana or a daughter of Zeus Diana. The current image should be Godzilla meets Bambi with a giant 'splat' for a sound effect.
    Priscilla wasn't a weak link because she was crafty and not dumb enough to fight Diana directly. She relied on schemes like framing her, tying her up with the lasso or stealing Hippolyta's Girdle to become invincible so she could go toe to toe with Diana. Between Justice and Batman: the Brave and the Bold she also has a better track record than the God-empowered Barbara. She is the only Cheetah to have managed to kill Diana in a story, and it took literal divine intervention to undo it.

    Cheetah (any version) should be respected enough that she is a challenge to any hero she faces even if she must lose, and the Barbara Minerva version in particular shouldn't be brought in for street level heroes. But on the opposite end of the spectrum, I think some WW fans here want her to be treated as a purely physical threat as if she's Doomsday or something, and has no worth beyond that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primal Slayer View Post
    She even became WW for a hot second.
    YESSS!!!! I loved that episode!

    I would love it if a future writer was to use that incident as part of an alternate "what if JL but bad" universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    The Joker may also be a crafty SOB and can surprise people with some outbursts of strength that one wouldn't expect from his wiry frame. But fighting Batman directly is seldom his thing, and there's a reason why he has Harley and other thugs around. And why he tends to fold pretty quickly when things get physical and he doesn't have the element of surprise.

    When did being an arch nemesis get dumbed down to "hitting real hard"?



    Priscilla wasn't a weak link because she was crafty and not dumb enough to fight Diana directly. She relied on schemes like framing her, tying her up with the lasso or stealing Hippolyta's Girdle to become invincible so she could go toe to toe with Diana. Between Justice and Batman: the Brave and the Bold she also has a better track record than the God-empowered Barbara. She is the only Cheetah to have managed to kill Diana in a story, and it took literal divine intervention to undo it.

    Cheetah (any version) should be respected enough that she is a challenge to any hero she faces even if she must lose, and the Barbara Minerva version in particular shouldn't be brought in for street level heroes. But on the opposite end of the spectrum, I think some WW fans here want her to be treated as a purely physical threat as if she's Doomsday or something, and has no worth beyond that.
    i like my Cheetah with a side of crafty.
    It’s why I liked Barbara’s old power set where she could be really smart but physically weak, or really strong but mentally and animal. Ironically, despite the restrictions, it somehow gave her more villain scheme options.
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