JSA / Justice Society of America Appreciation Thread 2022 version

[MajorHoy]

I suspect that the first issue will see that JSA destroyed, with Helena escaping into the past as the only survivor. It exists for the sake of Helena's backstory, but also to further establish Per Degaton's threat to the JSA. In that regard, it's going to be very much like the 31st century JSA we saw in New Golden Age.

But if Johns is wasting a good chunk of the first issue on that . . .

[Dataweaver]

Why is it a waste?

[bat39]

I’m still trying to make sense of the retcon to have Power Girl be active in the 70s of the main Earth…
The line-up where she’s Sylvester Pembleton’s teammate happened on Earth-2 in the 70s, before she came to the main Earth.
Since Johns is basically translating that period to the main Earth now, does this mean she lived very similar events on 2 Earths? Or will they completely change her origins and pre-Crisis backstory so that they’re less similar to the new continuity?

It would just be so much easier to have PG debut in the 70s of Earth-2 and then come to the main Earth during COIE (already on the sliding timeline).
It would keep every relevant aspect of the character and wouldn’t create so many needless problems, including a huge age gap in relation to Huntress while in the present.

I meaṇ, this was somewhat the case Pre-Flashpoint as well. Power Girl had a history on Earth 0 where her rocket crash-landed on earth several years ago and she was discovered by the Earth 0 Superman. After IC, she regained her memories of a similar course of events on Earth 2 where her rocket crash-landed in the 70's and she was discovered by her cousin the Earth 2 Superman.

My reading is that Johns' intent is that in this new timeline, PG had history in the 1970s and 1980s that closely reflected her pre-Crisis history. This only potentially becomes an issue after Infinite Crisis, when her encounter with the real pre-Crisis Earth 2 Superman restores her memories of the pre-Crisis Earth 2; and then, the only issue is that her two sets of overlapping memories differ only in terms of the presence or absence of a handful of people (Kal-L and Lois most prominently; but also Commissioner Wayne and Robin).

Its not really an issue if she remembers two versions of her past. Wasn't it not too long ago that ''everyone remembers everything'' was the flavor of the season? This is far less messy than that...

I'm sticking with the notion that PG arrived on Earth from the pre-Crisis Earth 2 Krypton, much like how the pre-Crisis Earth 1 Supergirl arrived on the post-Crisis Earth in PAD's Supergirl run. She comes from Krypton; just not Earth 0's Krypton.

Pretty much this.

[MajorHoy]

Why is it a waste?

Because instead of giving many of us what we expected / wanted, it looks like he's starting off with his new toys.
He could use issue #1 to re-introduce the JSA of "today", then have Helena show up suddenly at the end and in issue #2 he could present her story. We may not know yet how much balance of the 1st issue will be on Helena, but if he wanted to write more of Helena's story he should have had a one-shot focusing on her and gave that book a title like "Huntress of the Justice Society of America".

[Will Evans]

Because instead of giving many of us what we expected / wanted, it looks like he's starting off with his new toys.
He could use issue #1 to re-introduce the JSA of "today", then have Helena show up suddenly at the end and in issue #2 he could present her story. We may not know yet how much balance of the 1st issue will be on Helena, but if he wanted to write more of Helena's story he should have had a one-shot focusing on her and gave that book a title like "Huntress of the Justice Society of America".

So you want it to be predictable?

[Digifiend]

I suspect that the first issue will see that JSA destroyed, with Helena escaping into the past as the only survivor. It exists for the sake of Helena's backstory, but also to further establish Per Degaton's threat to the JSA. In that regard, it's going to be very much like the 31st century JSA we saw in New Golden Age.

Bleeding Cool posted spoilers.

spoilers:

You're right. They all die except Huntress.

end of spoilers

[MajorHoy]

So you want it to be predictable?

No.

I want it to be something that sets up what the hell is going on since the JSA disappeared eleven years ago! We still don't know how / where the Black Canaries fit in; what's the definite story regarding "Wonder Woman"; who was actually a somewhat regular member during the 1940s (like Wildcat, who Scott Snyder had as part of the team in December of 1941?); etc. , etc. , etc.

Who the hell are / were the Justice Society of America in current DC history / continuity?
And who's alive again and a member (or not), since we suddenly had Beth (Doctor Midnight) and Yolanda (Wildcat II) show up for that page in Doomsday Clock.

[Will Evans]

No.

I want it to be something that sets up what the hell is going on since the JSA disappeared eleven years ago! We still don't know how / where the Black Canaries fit in; what's the definite story regarding "Wonder Woman"; who was actually a somewhat regular member during the 1940s (like Wildcat, who Scott Snyder had as part of the team in December of 1941?); etc. , etc. , etc.

Who the hell are / were the Justice Society of America in current DC history / continuity?
And who's alive again and a member (or not), since we suddenly had Beth (Doctor Midnight) and Yolanda (Wildcat II) show up for that page in Doomsday Clock.

I’m pretty sure the creators are focusing on story and characterization first, before they get into minute details like who was in the former roster.

What you’re looking for will probably be summarized in a Who’s who page or on a page timeline like they used to put in Secrets & Origins oneshots.

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Dr. Midnite Refinalise Costume.

[Cat]

I do like that costume, but it's rather generic. At least the crescent buttons said 'night'.

[NeathBlue]

Not a spoiler, but I have question that before answering you may want to read issue 1 first before reading further.

Ok, just read issue 1… and can have no complaints, i think we all know that it involves Helena travelling through time through the various parts of the JSA history, so I’ve got one question for you all after you’ve read it… and my question as I said isn’t a spoiler as such.

Last but one page has 4 panels showing different timelines, 1951 with Red Lantern, 1976 with the classic Power Girl and Star Spangled Kid flying over the defeated JSA aka All-Star Comics 58, One year from now showing Jay and his daughter (?) running and, 18 years from now which looks like to me the funeral for Bruce Wayne/Batman as what happened in Adventure Comics 462 and 463.
It’s got all the JSA who would have been there back then there, as well as members of the public mourning him… So my question is, what are Barry and Hal doing there in costume? I don’t understand why those 2 particular people are depicted as being present.

Anyway, I enjoyed it and looking forward to seeing where this goes, really hope it’s not 12 issues and then it’s done, the JSA deserve more than a maxi series…

[Cat]

It’s got all the JSA who would have been there back then there, as well as members of the public mourning him… So my question is, what are Barry and Hal doing there in costume? I don’t understand why those 2 particular people are depicted as being present.

I've also got a question about that panel. Is there any reason Starman wasn't there? Am I forgetting something?

[Johnny]

What's the timeline of that scene supposed to be. It said "18 years from now" but is that even supposed to be the main continuity. Given that Hal had gray hair, I thought the guy in the bowtie standing next to him was an older Jimmy Olsen since he seemed to have reddish hair. Stargirl is there too and she looks aged up as well. But if the guy in the bowtie was indeed Barry, then was The Flash standing in front of them supposed to be Wally.

[Dataweaver]

What's the timeline of that scene supposed to be. It said "18 years from now" but is that even supposed to be the main continuity.

Technically, at this very moment? Yes. But don't count on that laying for long. By the time Helena is done with her hunt, I expect that the “18 years from now” and “26 years from now” entries will have been consigned to Hypertime.

[NeathBlue]

I've also got a question about that panel. Is there any reason Starman wasn't there? Am I forgetting something?

Yeah good point, he was at the funeral in the original Adventure Comics 462