Would you prefer if each hero inhabited their own Earth?

[SilverScarlet]

Might be a fun maxi-series, but as an ongoing, permanent thing? No.

[Alpha]

Probably. It might take care of certain continuity problems.


There are plenty of longrunning comics that aren't part of shared universes and are still around. Hellboy got three movies and he's not part of a shared universe.

Wonder Woman sales have rarely been impressive throughout her history, yet DC never cancelled her book.

[WonderLight789]

Wonder Woman sales have rarely been impressive throughout her history, yet DC never cancelled her book.

And what's that got to do with anything?

[Geraldofrivia]

Wonder Woman sales have rarely been impressive throughout her history, yet DC never cancelled her book.

Because the rights will revert back to Marston's estate if they stop publishing.

[Agent Z]

Wonder Woman sales have rarely been impressive throughout her history, yet DC never cancelled her book.

Never said anything about sales.

[Alpha]

And what's that got to do with anything?

You said there were plenty of long running comics that aren't part of a shared universe. I told you that Wonder Woman wouldn't survive that because her sales have mostly been timid.

Because the rights will revert back to Marston's estate if they stop publishing.

Nope, they worked that out a while ago.

Never said anything about sales.

I was responding to mystical

[Gaius]

Nope, they worked that out a while ago.

https://twitter.com/ChristieMarston/...43707577245696

[Alpha]

https://twitter.com/ChristieMarston/...43707577245696

Oh wow. Guess the people I was reading were wrong.

Anyway, the original contract allowed them to publish 4 issues per year. And yet they are publishing monthly

[DochaDocha]

I think it's too late to re-write the DCU, but for a short comic or TV series, I'd be fine with a multiversal concept that Wonder Woman, Superman, the REAL Captain Marvel, etc., are the main heroes of their respective Earths and meet up occasionally. It's basically what Superman and the REAL Captain Marvel did pre-Crisis.

[Primal Slayer]

Supergirl spent 5 seasons on her own Earth, being the only modern day hero sans Superman. I don't think it added anything. It didn't add anything once her earth was merged as well lol.

A good story is a good story.

[WonderLight789]

You said there were plenty of long running comics that aren't part of a shared universe. I told you that Wonder Woman wouldn't survive that because her sales have mostly been timid.


Nope, they worked that out a while ago.




I was responding to mystical

Who cares about comic sales. They sell next to nothing. They make big money out of merchandise, TV, games and movies. And WW has proven to be successful in all of them.

[WonderLight789]

Supergirl spent 5 seasons on her own Earth, being the only modern day hero sans Superman. I don't think it added anything. It didn't add anything once her earth was merged as well lol.

A good story is a good story.

Diana would gain a lot by being out of reach for the superman and batman lore to use as their stepping stone.

Which is something WW never has in team books and shared universe events.

[Natamaxxx]

Simple yes or no question: would you prefer if each DC hero inhabited their own world?

A subject that's seemed to infect every thread recently is how WW and affiliated characters stack up against other characters within the DCU. Would giving each hero their own world alleviate/eliminate that problem? Or is how they stack up to other characters more important than the stories that could be told within that particular character's universe.

Unfortunately, shunting WW off to her own universe isn’t going to stop the discussion about how she stacks up to other heroes. The moaning and groaning would still continue.

Generally speaking, I think it would make sense for a lot of the DC characters to exist in separate Universes instead of packing most of them into one “main” Earth like they seem to be now. Especially all the redundant Flashes, Robins and Batgirls!

[Guy_McNichts]

You know what, if not their own Earths, then--at the very least--the Justice League should be permanently disbanded. Because a lot of the problems we can have with shared universes, not just for Diana but all the heroes, can be owed to this wretched fail-boat.

We've all discussed how Diana is consistently screwed over by that title. Her powers dulled, skills ignored, personality shallowed to the most basic, surface level (and often incorrect) interpretation of her character, and she's just--at best--wallpaper.

But who benefits from Justice League?

Superman's portrayal is this swinging pendulum where he spends ten months of the year as a useless flying brick, until the writer remembers he's Superman and over-corrects by having him lose his tempter and demolish the League single-handed. Or Doomsday rolls in and crushes the League so Clark can beat him alone.

Batman becomes the insufferable Bat-god in order to justify why he has a place on the team without getting mushed into paste. It becomes worse when writers decide he's the moral authority on all things because he doesn't have powers, which somehow makes him more "down to Earth" despite being a billionaire who lives in his basement.

I just recently watched the Aquaman movie, and there the ocean is treated like an underwater Star Wars galaxy with Arthur as this god-like lord of it all. But on the Justice League...he's the "guy who talks to fishes."

And look beyond the big guns. All the second and third generation heroes have to live in their shadow. They can't do anything without the League's seal of approval. The League has become an obstacle creators apparently need to overcome in order for their stories to work.
The Young Justice show, despite being about these younger characters, feels the need to remind us what the League is doing at all times. Hell, the reason the League is dying for Dark Crisis is so the young generation can finally get a chance to shine...even though I find it strange Wonder Woman and Aquaman and Zatanna and Black Canary have to give up a spotlight they were never actually in.

And that's the heart of the problem. The "Justice League" is monolithic and everyone associated with it becomes the status quo to be torn down.
It exists to get brushed aside for other heroes to save the day. They're there to be mocked by Peacekeeper and Harley Quinn because edgy. Every individual hero's world shrinks and diminishes. Their abilities dulled down and personalities shallowed.

No, keeping Diana to her own world or corner of the universe wouldn't save us from the runs of Robinson or the Finches or any of the mid-to-outright bad creators that have come along. But chaining her to the Justice League and forcing her into big event stories because she's Wonder Woman when the writers clearly have no use for her or don't want her there isn't doing her any favors.

At the very least, DC should loosen up the obligation. Yes, Wonder Woman is an icon. Yes, she's one of the big guns. But if she doesn't serve a purpose in a story, just don't put her in. If anything, just say she's busy.

[Perseus]

You know what, if not their own Earths, then--at the very least--the Justice League should be permanently disbanded. Because a lot of the problems we can have with shared universes, not just for Diana but all the heroes, can be owed to this wretched fail-boat.

We've all discussed how Diana is consistently screwed over by that title. Her powers dulled, skills ignored, personality shallowed to the most basic, surface level (and often incorrect) interpretation of her character, and she's just--at best--wallpaper.

But who benefits from Justice League?

Superman's portrayal is this swinging pendulum where he spends ten months of the year as a useless flying brick, until the writer remembers he's Superman and over-corrects by having him lose his tempter and demolish the League single-handed. Or Doomsday rolls in and crushes the League so Clark can beat him alone.

Batman becomes the insufferable Bat-god in order to justify why he has a place on the team without getting mushed into paste. It becomes worse when writers decide he's the moral authority on all things because he doesn't have powers, which somehow makes him more "down to Earth" despite being a billionaire who lives in his basement.

I just recently watched the Aquaman movie, and there the ocean is treated like an underwater Star Wars galaxy with Arthur as this god-like lord of it all. But on the Justice League...he's the "guy who talks to fishes."

And look beyond the big guns. All the second and third generation heroes have to live in their shadow. They can't do anything without the League's seal of approval. The League has become an obstacle creators apparently need to overcome in order for their stories to work.
The Young Justice show, despite being about these younger characters, feels the need to remind us what the League is doing at all times. Hell, the reason the League is dying for Dark Crisis is so the young generation can finally get a chance to shine...even though I find it strange Wonder Woman and Aquaman and Zatanna and Black Canary have to give up a spotlight they were never actually in.

And that's the heart of the problem. The "Justice League" is monolithic and everyone associated with it becomes the status quo to be torn down.
It exists to get brushed aside for other heroes to save the day. They're there to be mocked by Peacekeeper and Harley Quinn because edgy. Every individual hero's world shrinks and diminishes. Their abilities dulled down and personalities shallowed.

No, keeping Diana to her own world or corner of the universe wouldn't save us from the runs of Robinson or the Finches or any of the mid-to-outright bad creators that have come along. But chaining her to the Justice League and forcing her into big event stories because she's Wonder Woman when the writers clearly have no use for her or don't want her there isn't doing her any favors.

At the very least, DC should loosen up the obligation. Yes, Wonder Woman is an icon. Yes, she's one of the big guns. But if she doesn't serve a purpose in a story, just don't put her in. If anything, just say she's busy.

Yeah, I can get behind this. I don't mind Diana being in the same universe and know we'd still get poor stories and showings, but at least she won't be background noise in a team story.