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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    That’s literally what superheroes do. Real world be damned.
    So May should have zero agency and no say in her own future?

    That’s not being a hero, that’s being a controlling SOB who refuses to allow her to make her own decision about her own life.

    A real hero would realize May is allowed bodily autonomy and is capable of making her own decisions. Only villains force their will on others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerSpider View Post
    So May should have zero agency and no say in her own future?

    That’s not being a hero, that’s being a controlling SOB who refuses to allow her to make her own decision about her own life.

    A real hero would realize May is allowed bodily autonomy and is capable of making her own decisions. Only villains force their will on others.
    And you’d surely say the same thing if their situation was reversed, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webhead View Post
    Both May through a psychic link, and The One Above All (God himself!) told Peter to just let it go.

    That Peter still wants to save her is in character? There might be arguments for and against it. But making a Faustian bargain has consequences, moral and otherwise, whereas this particular deal is written in-universe as a minor nuisance; what's more, the new reality created by a demon is actually the best one (per Marvel editorial).

    And yeah, I suppose this means that, if OMD was the first act of a larger storyline, it could be a classic Spider-Man story about actions, consequences, and responsibility.

    The actress thing was too dumb but unfortunately too convoluted to retcon as well.
    Yeah, having Pete regret it would make far more sense than treating it as an improvement. but part of the story is no one even knows it's not normal... except MJ. At any rate.... what we got was a terrible story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    And you’d surely say the same thing if their situation was reversed, right?
    That Peter should also be allowed autonomy and free will? Of course. Not sure why you seem to think that would even be a question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerSpider View Post
    That Peter should also be allowed autonomy and free will? Of course. Not sure why you seem to think that would even be a question.
    Well he can’t exactly do that if he’s dead. Death kinda removes all free will and autonomy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    Well he can’t exactly do that if he’s dead. Death kinda removes all free will and autonomy.
    You asked if the situation were reversed, meaning if Peter told Aunt May he was ready to die and to not take any heroic measures - and the doctors (plus every superhero) confirm there are no heroic measures left to take, anyway - should Peter be allowed autonomy, free will and to choose his own fate?

    Hella yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerSpider View Post
    You asked if the situation were reversed, meaning if Peter told Aunt May he was ready to die and to not take any heroic measures - and the doctors (plus every superhero) confirm there are no heroic measures left to take, anyway - should Peter be allowed autonomy, free will and to choose his own fate?

    Hella yes.
    No, it’d mean that Aunt May would be a horrible person gor not doing everything in her power tp help someone that she supposedly loved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    No, it’d mean that Aunt May would be a horrible person gor not doing everything in her power tp help someone that she supposedly loved.
    If Aunt May was given the option the save herself or let Peter have happiness and protect others she should would choose the later every time. Besides doing feast storylines. What was the last big thing in has May done that was beneficial to the series as a whole and why should she remain relavant besides being his only living relative unless Theresa really is. You dont need her as a character at all. It's like saying you needed Indiana Jones for any reason in the raiders of the lost arc when in truth the nazis would have found the arc and killed themselves. She isn't needed since ASM 400

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    No, it’d mean that Aunt May would be a horrible person gor not doing everything in her power tp help someone that she supposedly loved.
    The situation is doctors said there is nothing they can do and Peter says "let me go."

    A horrible person would be forcing their will on others and refusing to let people make choices about their own lives. That's what dictators do. That's what supervillains do.

    Marvel legit turned Peter Parker into a moral villain in OMD. Not only did Peter dictatorially ignore May's wishes about her own life, but he aided and abetted the Devil, causing who knows how much misery to others as a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerSpider View Post
    The situation is doctors said there is nothing they can do and Peter says "let me go."

    A horrible person would be forcing their will on others and refusing to let people make choices about their own lives. That's what dictators do. That's what supervillains do.
    In the Spider-Man game when May said he had to let her go he did. For the greater good. That's why he makes sacrifices is for the greater good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercwmouth12 View Post
    In the Spider-Man game when May said he had to let her go he did. For the greater good. That's why he makes sacrifices is for the greater good
    The greater good is too vague to weigh anything against.

    He did it because he cared more about saving what’s left of the city than saving her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    The greater good is too vague to weigh anything against.

    He did it because he cared more about saving what’s left of the city than saving her.
    She also said to let her go. And in NWH was more worried about Peter when she was dying herself. She would choose Peters happiness than her own life when it came down to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercwmouth12 View Post
    She also said to let her go. And in NWH was more worried about Peter when she was dying herself. She would choose Peters happiness than her own life when it came down to it
    Then why did she die?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    Then why did she die?
    Aunt May died because of the irreversible cessation of all biological functions that sustain an organism. It’s the natural end state of all living organisms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercwmouth12 View Post
    She also said to let her go. And in NWH was more worried about Peter when she was dying herself. She would choose Peters happiness than her own life when it came down to it
    If that were true, she wouldn’t be dead.

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