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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    I don't get that conclusion at all from it.

    The story wasn't about who was the most important person to Peter. It was about how much he was willing to sacrifice to save somebody. At the end of the day, it's not who he loves more, it's if he could still live with himself if he had the chance to save somebody and didn't take it.
    Even when said person was personally okay with going out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Even when said person was personally okay with going out.
    Yeah, MJ was ok with losing her marriage rather than letting someone die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Even when said person was personally okay with going out.
    I feel safe in saying you'll never see a scene where somebody in peril says "Don't save me, Spider-man! Save yourself!" and Spidey replies with "Okay," and swings away, but apparently that's what you're asking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    I feel safe in saying you'll never see a scene where somebody in peril says "Don't save me, Spider-man! Save yourself!" and Spidey replies with "Okay," and swings away, but apparently that's what you're asking for.
    Peter didn't sacrifice his marriage specifically to save Aunt May. He did it so he wouldn't feel responsible for Aunt May dying. He guilt trips MJ into making the deal on his behalf, even when he tries to claim he isn't doing that. You can't pretend Peter is a hero for the events of OMD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinroc View Post
    Peter didn't sacrifice his marriage specifically to save Aunt May. He did it so he wouldn't feel responsible for Aunt May dying. He guilt trips MJ into making the deal on his behalf, even when he tries to claim he isn't doing that. You can't pretend Peter is a hero for the events of OMD.
    So what you’re saying is that Peter didn’t care about either of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    So what you’re saying is that Peter didn’t care about either of them?
    I'm saying Peter making a noble sacrifice to save another is not what OMD was about. It was about Peter not being able to live with the guilt of May dying due to what he perceives as his own actions so he acts completely selfish and guilt trips MJ into making the decision for him. Peter isn't the hero. He didn't make a noble sacrifice. He was a selfish child. He also claims this isn't what he was doing, but it 100% was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinroc View Post
    I'm saying Peter making a noble sacrifice to save another is not what OMD was about. It was about Peter not being able to live with the guilt of May dying due to what he perceives as his own actions so he acts completely selfish and guilt trips MJ into making the decision for him. Peter isn't the hero. He didn't make a noble sacrifice. He was a selfish child. He also claims this isn't what he was doing, but it 100% was.
    If you want to look at it that way, you might as well say his entire superhero career is because he wouldn't be able to live with the guilt of not saving people, but that's an awful cynical way to look at things.

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    Don't forget that, in a way, Peter traded his daughter's life for Aunt May's. At OMIT, Mary Jane stated that she would not have children outside of marriage. Of course, Peter didn't know that the deal would erase his daughter from the timeline, but it happened anyway and it's terrible. Peter didn't act like a hero in OMD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    If you want to look at it that way, you might as well say his entire superhero career is because he wouldn't be able to live with the guilt of not saving people, but that's an awful cynical way to look at things.
    OMD deserves to be looked at cynically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanos View Post
    At OMIT, Mary Jane stated that she would not have children outside of marriage.
    The first issue of the recent Ben Reilly mini-series explicitly referenced Mary Jane expecting a child, it's safe to say that part of OMIT has either been quietly ignored or Mary Jane mellowed on that stance.
    Last edited by Matt Rat; 02-24-2022 at 12:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Rat View Post
    The first issue of the recent Ben Reilly mini-series explicitly referenced Mary Jane expecting a child, it's safe to say that part of OMIT has either been quietly ignored or Mary Jane mellowed on that stance.
    No, just BR:SM happens before OMD. If Mary Jane was pregnant by Peter, someone would have mentioned it. But Spencer's run made it clear that they did not have a child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanos View Post
    Spencer's run made it clear that they did not have a child.
    The point is moot, as the baby was stillborn anyway. Peter and MJ don't have a child, but that doesn't mean they didn't try. All stories bar the marriage still happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Rat View Post
    The point is moot, as the baby was stillborn anyway. Peter and MJ don't have a child, but that doesn't mean they didn't try. All stories bar the marriage still happened.
    Why does Norman want the corpse of Peter's daughter? Why does Mephisto need a deal with Peter to erase his dead daughter? What is the point of Mephisto erasing the memory that Mary Jane was pregnant if the daughter is dead? What does it give him? All this makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanos View Post
    Why does Norman want the corpse of Peter's daughter? Why does Mephisto need a deal with Peter to erase his dead daughter? What is the point of Mephisto erasing the memory that Mary Jane was pregnant if the daughter is dead? What does it give him? All this makes no sense.
    Well it could be retconned that the baby is actually alive, by Mysterio or some other way but it's because May would be the one to finally defeat him and end his reign forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanos View Post
    Why does Norman want the corpse of Peter's daughter? Why does Mephisto need a deal with Peter to erase his dead daughter? What is the point of Mephisto erasing the memory that Mary Jane was pregnant if the daughter is dead? What does it give him? All this makes no sense.
    Mephisto wasn't interested in Mayday, he was interested in the second child Peter and MJ would have had if they had remained married. That daughter is implied to be the one that will defeat him in the future, which is elaborated on in the closing pages of Spencer's run

    Norman would have been just as interested in May's corpse as he would have been with her alive, given she has Peter's unique DNA, living or dead. Remember, Norman ordered Mayday to be cloned at an infant age in the Spider-Girl timeline.
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