"He's pure power and doesn't even know it. He's the best of us."-Matt Murdock
"I need a reason to take the mask off."-Peter Parker
"My heart half-breaks at how easy it is to lie to him. It breaks all the way when he believes me without question." Felicia Hardy
I think Norman should have stayed dead after ASM 122. Harry and the Hobgoblin were more interesting than Norman 2.0. Norman became a Joker type villain in the Spidey comics after his return and a Lex Luther type in the non-Spidey titles, instead of portraying him as he originally was: A man with a split personality who didn't realize the evils he committed as the Green Goblin.
Good use of the Principal Skinner meme there. As for Norman Osborn vs. Lex Luthor, technically, Osborn was doing the "corrupt corporate executive turned outright supervillain" thing at least two decades before Lex, since Lex was only revamped into that after the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths rebooted the DC Universe.
Funny enough, Norman 2.0 was basically the Joker if he had a day job, and that day job was being post-Crisis Lex Luthor.
The spider is always on the hunt.
I still find it amazing that Marvel non-ironically thought that saying Stark was right during Civil War was a good idea.
Hell, in Civil War II, when he's actually right, he's an unlikable douchebag too, automatically antagonizing Carol, kidnapping Dude to prove he was right, being an out of control *******... You can say that Carol was worse, but only barely lol.
And then Bendis came up with this bullshit so him and Carol can be friends later:
Like, yeah...
Not an actual page, but the third panel is accurate enough to what Civil War II says anyways.
There are types of villains who don't need actual characterization, just what they do is enough to motivate and develop everything else, like Fire Lord Ozai from Avatar, TOBA is a villain like that, so yeah, he works.Empty, hollowed-out, and horrific, a destructive id seeks out an ego, consuming individuals from the inside out. Creation and unimaginable destruction are intrinsically linked, and the reason gamma tests have unsettling results. As I said, it's a nifty cosmic horror entity. It succeeded not for a character, but for a narrative, which was a good idea.
Good thing it didn't go as far as Kishimoto, I mean ****, Pain is behind Akatsuki, but actually, Obito is behind Pain and Akatsuki, but actually, Madara is behind Obito, but actually, Black Zetsu is behind Madara, but actually, Kaguya is behind Black Zetsu.
It's surprising Boruto didn't say someone else was behind Kaguya, though other relative of hers' are why she wanted an army to begin with, so that's close enough.
Him being an evil businessman is closer to how Ditko characterized Norman, even if it misses a point here and there.
Hah, that's really accurate.
Okay, ngl, that 'goblin spidey suit' got a real laugh out of me. I love it.
https://elvingsmusings.wordpress.com...by-j-ballmann/In my discussions with Romita, I learned something of why Steve Ditko left Marvel. It seems that when he started out, Ditko was bascially an amateur, with little confidence in himself. Stan Lee convinced Ditko that he was a good artist, that he should stick it out. Ditko became convinced. He began to slack off his direct cotnact with Lee, until he never came to the Bullpen anymore. Then, he didn’t feel like doing the story the way Stan wanted it, he did it his way…That’s how Ditko began getting credited as plotting the stories. By the way, the choice of Norman Osborn as the Green Goblin was Ditko’s. Lee was going to have GG revealed to be Ned Leeds, but Ditko was too fond of Ned, so he drew the mags so that Osborn HAD to be the Goblin.
Oh hey is that Jack? Y'know, the one who went by Revolutionary_Jack here?
Either way, weird that Ditko would be fond of Ned, he barely did anything whenever he showed in his run besides being Betty's perfect and boring boyfriend.
Not to mention that it's silly for a random reporter like Ned Leeds having the cash to be able to get all that tech.
Then again, it was silver age so maybe he'd be excused to have come up with it on his own, like how Vulture did so with his own wings despite looking like he was just some thief lol.
At least when he was "revealed" to be Hobgoblin it made more sense in that part, since he just happened to find the tech, the biggest problem was him managing to modify the Goblin Serum to avoid insanity, but even then, Roderick managing to do so made no damn sense too.
I think Norman Osborn has always been both? Osborn was not a very nice business parter and tried using psychedelic pumpkins to attack Spidey mentally. Osborn had more depth once but shedding light on Harry Osborn's backstory rolled that characterization long before he returned. Writers chose to embrace that change.
Still is. Depending on the writer. What people often don't realize is DID is on a spectrum and doesn't always result in amnesia.A man with a split personality
I can't fault Gerry Conway for killing Norman Osborn. From the perspective of a man living in the 70s, the original green goblin had potential but was barely a character on page. So, Conway used him to rectify certain inequities of the romantic persuasion. As someone benefiting from modern information, I think it would have been a waste of a good villain and occasional extended cast member to keep him dead.
Edit: I forgot to mention, "Split personality" has fallen out of favor in the medical community as understanding of the disorder improves.
The Simpsons will never die. That is a threat and a promise.
Donald Trump influencing Lex Luthor's turn to business tycoon was so much more funny before Trump was elected President.
It's a neat coincidence that Ditko's Norman looks so much like Albert Camus.Funny enough, Norman 2.0 was basically the Joker if he had a day job, and that day job was being post-Crisis Lex Luthor.
Thanks for showing that panel page. I needed a laugh. Have you watched D+ Moon Knight? Ammit and Carol would have much to talk about. I can sympathize with Tony Stark being upset after what Thanos did to Rhodey but that writing does him no favors. Stop writing heroes as villains 2023.
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When it comes to Norman's (and by extension Harry's) hairstyle, has any artist attempted to draw it where it actually looks like actor Joseph Cotten's hair instead of directly copying Ditko's attempt to make it look like that?