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    Default An issue of representation. Not one major Spider-Hero is canon LGBTQ

    In recent years the Spider-Man franchise has taken to becoming a more diverse and inclusive franchise beyond Peter Parker. The theme is that anyone could put on the mask.

    It's important to note that Spider-Man is a big deal. The biggest deal in Marvel. But there is still one group that has never truly gotten representation under the Spider name. And that is the LGBTQ community.

    Not a single major Spider is canonically LGBTQ. Not one who has headlined their own title.

    Now, you might say "there have been LGBTQ Spiders before" and this is true. But they weren't what I would call a major character. The closest would be Ultimate Jessica Drew. She never had her own title where she was the headline star. She hasn't appeared in years. And she will always be secondary to the original Jessica Drew. (She was also a female clone of Ultimate Peter Parker, which opens up a whole can of worms.)

    That can't be it, you must be thinking. And it isn't. There was an LGBTQ Spider-MJ introduced in Exiles. She never joined the team and only showed up for a few issues. And then she was killed rather unceremoniously in Spider-Verse.

    And I think that might be it. There are other LGBTQ characters in Spider-Man comics like Black Cat, but they aren't a Spider. They don't bare the moniker of "Spider." This is far too short. This is something that must be corrected.

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    Black Cat is part of the spiderman family. So there is your LGBT representation. Ghost Spider is asexual which honestly that's fine. But if there has to be a spider person to be LGBT at least make it a new one. Sorta like Jon Kent on Superman. New character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime View Post
    Black Cat is part of the spiderman family. So there is your LGBT representation. Ghost Spider is asexual which honestly that's fine. But if there has to be a spider person to be LGBT at least make it a new one. Sorta like Jon Kent on Superman. New character.
    Black Cat is not a "Spider." So it comes up very short.

    The people that run the Marvel wiki don't think Gwen is asexual. And she certainly doesn't come across that way in adaptations, which is where people really learn about the character. (And she gets used on covers kissing Miles or hanging around Peter as if she were one of his girlfriends.)

    DC is unafraid to have an LGBTQ Superman. But Marvel doesn't have one major LGBTQ Spider to their name.

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    I'd like to see Jessica return.

    Not a whole lot of people LIKE Jon being bi-sexual either.

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    It's mainly an issue of small sample size. Plus, some of the characters are clones of Peter Parker, or alternate universe versions of characters who are straight (IE- Spider-Gwen.)

    The developments about Tim Drake and Jonathan Kent being bisexual have occurred in the last year.

    I'm sure there will soon be a LGBTQ spider-character. It's just a matter of timing when they decide to introduce new spider-heroes. The comics were focusing on other stuff for the last few years. I would guess the next spider-verse team-up (which will inevitably happen with the two upcoming spider-verse movies) will introduce a new LGBTQ Spider-hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    The developments about Tim Drake and Jonathan Kent being bisexual have occurred in the last year.
    Well, Tim being Bi-sexual makes some sense. I mean, he was a bit more cut up over Connor's death than one would be for a friend. Jon came out of nowhere though (really wish they had made him Pan Sexual instead, but that's me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Rat View Post
    I'd like to see Jessica return.

    Not a whole lot of people LIKE Jon being bi-sexual either.
    When did a hand full of whiny comicsgaters that no one takes seriously become "a whole lot of people" ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian View Post
    f whiny comicsgaters that no one takes seriously
    Noone in stubborn echo chambers like yours that pretend every 'progressive' stunt is a success takes them seriously you mean

    And that's the reality you have to face, that these things are, and always will be, a 'stunt', and the minute it's out of season, it's done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinroc View Post
    Black Cat is not a "Spider." So it comes up very short.

    The people that run the Marvel wiki don't think Gwen is asexual. And she certainly doesn't come across that way in adaptations, which is where people really learn about the character. (And she gets used on covers kissing Miles or hanging around Peter as if she were one of his girlfriends.)

    DC is unafraid to have an LGBTQ Superman. But Marvel doesn't have one major LGBTQ Spider to their name.
    I don't think Felicia is an insignificant character though given she was prominent enough to get her own solo book that ran for a decent amount of issues. She's not a "Spider" but she's arguably more relevant to the franchise than actual Spiders, like Jessica Drew.

    Of course the amount of Gwen adaptions that really adapt her like she was in the comics (especially the Latour run) is few and far between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I don't think Felicia is an insignificant character though given she was prominent enough to get her own solo book that ran for a decent amount of issues. She's not a "Spider" but she's arguably more relevant to the franchise than actual Spiders, like Jessica Drew.

    Of course the amount of Gwen adaptions that really adapt her like she was in the comics (especially the Latour run) is few and far between.
    Black Cat is a Spider-adjacent character, but she's not a Spider. She doesn't get brought in for the big Spider-Verse crossovers. It's all about the branding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I don't think Felicia is an insignificant character though given she was prominent enough to get her own solo book that ran for a decent amount of issues. She's not a "Spider" but she's arguably more relevant to the franchise than actual Spiders, like Jessica Drew.

    Of course the amount of Gwen adaptions that really adapt her like she was in the comics (especially the Latour run) is few and far between.
    Black Cat is bigger than a LOT of Spider-characters.She's had 2 solos and multiple one-shots, much more than other Spiders.

    This is my problem w/ OP's problem, they don't acknowledge rep unless it's exactly the way they want it and where they want it.Not only do they say it needs to be under the Spider-man umbrella it also needs to be a character w/ Spider in the name as if that makes any diff.

    Black Cat is a character under the Spider-man franchise and it's fantastic rep!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinroc View Post
    Black Cat is a Spider-adjacent character, but she's not a Spider. She doesn't get brought in for the big Spider-Verse crossovers. It's all about the branding.
    Argument doesn't hold weight when even Peter was barely in the last Spider-verse event

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I don't think Felicia is an insignificant character though given she was prominent enough to get her own solo book that ran for a decent amount of issues. She's not a "Spider" but she's arguably more relevant to the franchise than actual Spiders, like Jessica Drew.

    Of course the amount of Gwen adaptions that really adapt her like she was in the comics (especially the Latour run) is few and far between.
    This needs to change. Jessica Drew does deserve to be a reoccurring character in the pages of ASM. The problem as of late with Jessica is the fact that the writers of her series focus too much on the old Spider-Woman books of the 1970's and early 1980's where then EiC Jim Shooter mandated that Spider-Man should not be involved in the pages of Spider-Woman. The last writer never took advantage of having her become a guest in the ASM and Spider-Man appearing in Spider-Woman as a guest. There is a lot of potential between Jessica and Peter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthfury78 View Post
    This needs to change. Jessica Drew does deserve to be a reoccurring character in the pages of ASM. The problem as of late with Jessica is the fact that the writers of her series focus too much on the old Spider-Woman books of the 1970's and early 1980's where then EiC Jim Shooter mandated that Spider-Man should not be involved in the pages of Spider-Woman. The last writer never took advantage of having her become a guest in the ASM and Spider-Man appearing in Spider-Woman as a guest. There is a lot of potential between Jessica and Peter.
    Certainly not in the way you hope given the premise of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I don't think Felicia is an insignificant character though given she was prominent enough to get her own solo book that ran for a decent amount of issues. She's not a "Spider" but she's arguably more relevant to the franchise than actual Spiders, like Jessica Drew.

    Of course the amount of Gwen adaptions that really adapt her like she was in the comics (especially the Latour run) is few and far between.
    when and where was the, uh, "revelation" about Felicia Hardy? Just curious.

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