Final thoughts on X Lives/Deaths of Wolverine now that is it done?

[cranger]

What's the point of her hunting down mutants? Like, I don't understand. Is she just so pissed off because she felt like they turned on her after she did a complete 180 in terms of her goals. She wanted to SAVE mutants, to SAVE the people. Even if she thought depowering the entire species was the best way to keep them safe, I could understand that line of thinking, but she shouldn't just want to hunt them all down and kill them. Even villains have motivations.

The problem is Percy wanted pull a Hickman and do this story within a story thing where all of this grand stuff happened and that makes this thing much more important. Really he should have just skipped the time travel stuff. Had Moira being hunted by Mystique and Wolverine, throw in a bit more X-Force getting in the way and Moira interacting with more people from her past, have her come back to repower herself spouting off some stuff that made her more sympathetic, and then have her killed only to reveal that she had been working on some sort of machine backup that only triggered because she died without her powers.

[Saithor]

I think it’s pretty clear that with a Nimrod and an Omega Sentinel they just wanted a new Bastion to complete the Sentinel Trifecta. I swear we will get another Master Mold next.

My head cannon is still that the QC is keeping this secret until we get some kind of confirmation they are doing otherwise. Revealing that Krakoa was created by a lunatic who first tried to deactivate everyone’s X-genes and probably will soon show up trying to kill them all is probably going to make some mutants give the QC the side eye wondering if the entire island is just a Friend’s of Humanitt honeypot.

[Maestro 216]

It kinda amazes me how a single story can get me interested in where they’re going with a character (Moira) only to kill it completely when they nuke their character to Hell and just make them another mustache twirling villain. Krakoa’s done a number on the X-Men’s rogues gallery when they keep turning old allies into villains.

That is likely why Moira turned heel. Literally all their villains have turned good.

[Saithor]

That is likely why Moira turned heel. Literally all their villains have turned good.

Quotes around "Good"

I'm not even talking about the explicitly still evil ones like Sinister, Apocalypse is a jerk.

[Jackraow21]

Soooo..., according to Beast, Wolverine is a "vicious killer", but Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, Mystique, Destiny, Magneto, Exodus, Shaw and Emma Frost are "high minded and ideology-driven..."

Yeah... I liked this story a lot, but that part was very cringeworthy.

[LordUltimus]

Stones and glass houses, Hank.

[Frontier]

I think Moira-X is a better plot device than Moira of old ever was, however she isn't a character she has no attachments to any of her history and her motivations are at the whims of whatever writer using her at the moment. Someone asked before what was better Moira staying dead or Moira-X one if not the most important (former)mutant in the X-men proper!

Was old Moira a plot device? Other than being a top scientist.

[charliehustle415]

It boggles my mind that this wasn't advertised more as a direct follow up to INFERNO.

Marvel kept saying this was HOX/POX part duex, instead it's literally issues #5 - 10 of INFERNO.

[OmegaStorm87]

Basically unreadable and proof of two things. Percy can't write the X-Men and Wolverine isn't interesting enough to carry a story on his own.

[JustAnotherFan]

It was exactly what I feared it would be. A mediocre Wolverine focused event that didn’t do much and had multiple inconsistencies/plot holes that weren’t properly adressed. It also took away everything that made the Moira retcon interesting and worth anything and made her yet another genocidally mutant hating villain, as if we don’t have enough of those already. Hard to imagine that this was Hickman’s original plan though if it was then it’s good that he’s gone. Disappointed that they disrupted a majority of the whole line for this.

[Saturius]

Was old Moira a plot device? Other than being a top scientist.

I don't know how anyone could call old Moira a plot device. She was a consistent fully realized character with too much longevity in the medium to ever be called a plot device. You didn't have to find her interesting, but a plot device she was not imo.

[Daedra]

I still don't understand the character Moira and her motivations...sorry, I hope one day a author will make her motivations—evil or not—more understandable...

I personally think that no author really understands her powers. Not even Hickman gets it. lol they should have taken more time and explain what she really does (traveling her consciousness back in time when she dies and, thus, start a new alternative timeline, I guess?) maybe then her change into absolute evilness would make more sense?

This is all I have to say

[Exodus]

This is all I have to say

I very much agree about the pointless absurdity of it all...but just to be fair, it was Destiny's return that has revealed Moira's real intentions...she was forced into it...

...maybe we are lucky and a smart writer will continue this plot and give her a better archenemy plot and development in the future. She obviously had a god complex....

[Saithor]

Even if it is Hickman, that doesn't mean it's especially great plot wise. Its still kind of a mess overall and X deaths kind made the convoluted nature of it worse.

[Rev9]

The problem is Percy wanted pull a Hickman and do this story within a story thing where all of this grand stuff happened and that makes this thing much more important. Really he should have just skipped the time travel stuff. Had Moira being hunted by Mystique and Wolverine, throw in a bit more X-Force getting in the way and Moira interacting with more people from her past, have her come back to repower herself spouting off some stuff that made her more sympathetic, and then have her killed only to reveal that she had been working on some sort of machine backup that only triggered because she died without her powers.

I don't mind Moira being a villain, but for crying out loud another Robot? Of all the possibilities available the writers have added onto Nimrod and OS with another robot.It would be way more rewarding if Moira was say using all her knowledge of the future to ask the guy she shared the mini info with to build her either a stasis device like she had in life 9 to put her on ice as he seeks a cure and then in the future reveal she got enhanced to homo Novissima level and so she sent back OS to maybe do a mind transfer to her directly. Such a missed opportunity.She could have been turned into a female version of Richard Palance to stave off the cancer by absorbing mutant abilities through some 'homeostatic' device.She could even perhaps develop a time machine or force a mutant with time travel abilities not yet on Krakoa(through Destiny diaries) to take her back to enter as a test subject in the novel Ecuador vault to be revealed as Madre..Seriously of all possibilities another robot..smh