Status Quos that need to die.

[9th.]

Miles could always go pick up the other dumb names Marvel considered for him, like Kid Arachnid, or Spy-D .

Oh god I would've hated Marvel with the power of thousand suns if they ever named my guy something goofy like that. Spy-D is just awful.

If I absolutely had to call him something else I'd go with Recluse.

[Lukmendes]

I would like to kill this strange obsession Marvel has with trying to take a Bat-Family approach to Spider-Man.

It's not even much of an obsession, the spiders just team-up once every 3 years or so and then the rest go back to limbo once it's done lol.

While I am of the same mind as you on separate books for Pete and Miles....I think that the Hawkeyes should be pointed out...but I do feel they are a one off that should not be copied by others.

Hawkeye is also traditionally a character from team comics, him sharing a comic with someone else isn't that weird.

Or some of the names Beyond Corporation focus-tested for him when they wanted Ben Reilly to "enforce the Spider-Man trademark." I think they were "Stinger" and Striker."

Beyond was half assing with those names, they barely sound like they're Spider related, specially Striker lol.

It's funny. I was prepared for the pushback from X-Men fans for only giving the X-Men two titles.

I expected the same.

I didn't expect Miles having a book to be controversial. Folks, I put The Union on this list. The Union! I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who read that.

I didn't recognize the name, but I have very selective knowledge about Marvel so I thought it was something that's popular and I wasn't aware of lol.

Why don’t they just alternate focus based on the story like most other ensemble casts?

That could work to balance out the attention between both of them I guess, I just don't see the point of making Miles and Spidey both lose their own comics for this to happen to begin with, Miles in particular could be screwed over for doing this after a while because Spidey is so much bigger as a character.

Drop the "Kid" and just call him Arachnid. Problem solved.

Yeah I dunno why the hell they added the "Kid" there, it doesn't flow well.

At some point Marvel is going to have to give him a name. He is never going to be "The" Spider-Man. Every other spider character has a name. He no longer lives in the Ultimate Universe.

That would be difficult at this point because he's been known as "Spider-Man" for so long, it can happen, but I doubt Marvel would be willing to do so right now.

I don't even think the Hawkeyes work because the dynamic tends to favor Kate than Clint. Just look at the show version.

Really? Man, Clint's life is a curse lol.

Oh god I would've hated Marvel with the power of thousand suns if they ever named my guy something goofy like that. Spy-D is just awful.

Yeah, Spy-D sounds like a sarcastic name someone would call Miles if he's doing espionage shit, not something he'd keep using as a codename.

[Chris0013]

I don't even think the Hawkeyes work because the dynamic tends to favor Kate than Clint. Just look at the show version.

I do agree with that....and think comics Clint needs to be treated better (along with Scott Lang)...But in general I do like to see the dynamic between Clint and Kate when written well. As far as the show I chalk that up to the 'passing the torch' theme of the show.

[Sutekh]

It's funny. I was prepared for the pushback from X-Men fans for only giving the X-Men two titles. I didn't expect Miles having a book to be controversial. Folks, I put The Union on this list. The Union! I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who read that.

I know right? And that book was amazing! Great art *and* great writing. And we still really know little about how working-class Joe became the new Union Jack, what even Snakes *is,* etc! (Craig the cybernetically-enhanced corgi should have been the breakout star!)

Then again, I'm a softie for international teams. Alpha Flight, Winter Guard, Agents of Atlas, Global Guardians, whoever, I'm here for it!

I do agree with that....and think comics Clint needs to be treated better (along with Scott Lang)...

Oh yeah. Dane Whitman is the latest victim of this lazy-ass writing cliche of trying to make a character 'relatable' or 'down to earth' by having a formerly respected and competent character suddenly become a bit of a hard-luck loser, held in contempt or looked down on by his former friends and teammates.

Even when it happens with a character, like Dane, that I'm not particularly a fan of, it annoys the crap out of me. He was an *Avengers leader* for a time, and normally pretty classy people like Thor and T'Challa are talking smack about him to his face. (Which just makes *them* look assy, for no particular reason.)

And it really jars when it bounces from Thunderbolts-era Hawkeye (who led the team) or Fantastic Four-era Scott Lang (who went up against *Doom!*), to bumbling screwups who have to be saved from their own ineptitude constantly by their savvier teen sidechick/daughter. As much as it could be argued that their absolute *best* showings may have seemed a touch out of character or even fan-ficcish, growth is possible, so it's not as unlikely as a formerly competent and respected hero just sort of falling apart and becoming inept (and disrespected by their colleagues).

[Anthony W]

I don't even think the Hawkeyes work because the dynamic tends to favor Kate than Clint. Just look at the show version.

Judging from all the normies who only saw the movie and didn't read comics who were annoyed that they were wasting this much time on a "sidekick" I would say that the dynamic favored Clint. People were pissed at that show. Of course those are just the normies I saw.

[Huntsman Spider]

I know right? And that book was amazing! Great art *and* great writing. And we still really know little about how working-class Joe became the new Union Jack, what even Snakes *is,* etc! (Craig the cybernetically-enhanced corgi should have been the breakout star!)

Then again, I'm a softie for international teams. Alpha Flight, Winter Guard, Agents of Atlas, Global Guardians, whoever, I'm here for it!



Oh yeah. Dane Whitman is the latest victim of this lazy-ass writing cliche of trying to make a character 'relatable' or 'down to earth' by having a formerly respected and competent character suddenly become a bit of a hard-luck loser, held in contempt or looked down on by his former friends and teammates.

Even when it happens with a character, like Dane, that I'm not particularly a fan of, it annoys the crap out of me. He was an *Avengers leader* for a time, and normally pretty classy people like Thor and T'Challa are talking smack about him to his face. (Which just makes *them* look assy, for no particular reason.)

And it really jars when it bounces from Thunderbolts-era Hawkeye (who led the team) or Fantastic Four-era Scott Lang (who went up against *Doom!*), to bumbling screwups who have to be saved from their own ineptitude constantly by their savvier teen sidechick/daughter. As much as it could be argued that their absolute *best* showings may have seemed a touch out of character or even fan-ficcish, growth is possible, so it's not as unlikely as a formerly competent and respected hero just sort of falling apart and becoming inept (and disrespected by their colleagues).

The annoying thing is that this even happens to Spider-Man/Peter Parker, particularly in the last decade or so since One More Day. Not necessarily to the extent of Dane or Clint or Scott, but you'd think after all these years of saving people and being damned good at it, he'd get at least a little more respect from (most of) his superhero allies/friends/comrades than having them crack wise all the time about how annoyed they are by him. That said, as Spider-Man was and is the pioneer of the "relatable superhero" archetype, the real issue is that Dane and Clint and Scott in their more recent/modern iterations come off as bad attempts at replicating what made Spider-Man successful in the first place, not to mention that not every MU hero can or should be (like) Spider-Man, even if he is in my opinion the pinnacle of heroism (alongside Captain America).

[Stick Figure]

No secret identities. No way it would work and it’s unbelievably cringy.

More villains need killed off. No way heroes should be letting guys walk so they can come back and threaten again. I get comics were pushing a sort of morality years ago but the audience was teenagers. The dudes at my comic shop are 20’s & up. I don’t need every hero to against killing.

More heroes need to pass the torch permanently. Comics should be dynamic. The one thing the movies get right is within a few years, everyone will be replaced. That’s refreshing.

[PCN24454]

No secret identities. No way it would work and it’s unbelievably cringy.

More villains need killed off. No way heroes should be letting guys walk so they can come back and threaten again. I get comics were pushing a sort of morality years ago but the audience was teenagers. The dudes at my comic shop are 20’s & up. I don’t need every hero to against killing.

More heroes need to pass the torch permanently. Comics should be dynamic. The one thing the movies get right is within a few years, everyone will be replaced. That’s refreshing.

I only agree with the third one.

What keeps villains alive isn’t the heroes; it’s their popularity.

[JudicatorPrime]

The idea that Marvel needs to keep putting out so many titles when they clearly don't have the talent to sustain them all. Marvel's superhero line should only be twenty to thirty books.

Two X-Books (Yes, you're just getting two)
Two Avengers
Two Spider-Man titles
A Miles Morales title
Doctor Strange
Thor
Nova (Rich Rider)
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Black Panther
Captain Marvel
Champions (This is where Kamala and Sam are)
Daredevil
Iron Man
Captain America
Fantastic Four
Inhumans
Power Man and Iron Fist
Moon Knight
Blade
Wolverine (Logan...duh)
S.H.I.E.L.D (I can't stand Nick Fury Jr, but it's time for the spurs to return
Silver Surfer (Most of the time he doesn't make this list but Ron Marz and Ron Lim restored my faith in the character)
Hulk
The Union
The rest of slots will just be mini series

I appreciate your viewpoint here, but none of those books gets me off of the fence and reaching for my wallet, unless the second Avengers book brings more than the usual cast of Avengers characters. Even with that I'd still like to see a Marvel Premiere/Preview/Spotlight/Presents type book that features some of the lesser known characters and talent. I'm also in favor of a Defenders and an Ultimates book, even if it means that some of the solo books are sacrificed.

[Ultimate Captain America]

If you really want Miles to have a name that is not Spider-Man because that's Peter... what about "Ultimate Spider-Man", an an in-universe name?

[Alan2099]

If you really want Miles to have a name that is not Spider-Man because that's Peter... what about "Ultimate Spider-Man", an an in-universe name?

That's horrible for multiple reasons.

For one, it elevates him and degrades Peter. Now we have "Ultimate Spider-man" and regular plain old ordinary Spider-man. Can you imagine DC introducing a new character as calling him "The Absolutely Best Batman"?

For another reason it's just long and awkward to to say.

On top o that, you're STILL calling him Spider-man.

[bretmaverick2]

I just wish Miles had been left in his 2099 ‘universe’. That where he worked best, at least that’s my view.

[Ultimate Captain America]

For one, it elevates him and degrades Peter. Now we have "Ultimate Spider-man" and regular plain old ordinary Spider-man. Can you imagine DC introducing a new character as calling him "The Absolutely Best Batman"?

Sorry, that ship has already sailed.

[PCN24454]

That's horrible for multiple reasons.

For one, it elevates him and degrades Peter. Now we have "Ultimate Spider-man" and regular plain old ordinary Spider-man. Can you imagine DC introducing a new character as calling him "The Absolutely Best Batman"?

For another reason it's just long and awkward to to say.

On top o that, you're STILL calling him Spider-man.

I just wish Miles had been left in his 2099 ‘universe’. That where he worked best, at least that’s my view.

Maybe it’s time for Peter to retire. The timeline could actually move if that happened.

[Anthony W]

I appreciate your viewpoint here, but none of those books gets me off of the fence and reaching for my wallet, unless the second Avengers book brings more than the usual cast of Avengers characters.

That is why there are two books.

Even with that I'd still like to see a Marvel Premiere/Preview/Spotlight/Presents type book that features some of the lesser known characters and talent.

You get twenty-five to thirty books. I used the rest of my slots for limited series. But you could use a slot for that.

I'm also in favor of a Defenders and an Ultimates book, even if it means that some of the solo books are sacrificed.

Here's the thing it's only twenty-five to thirty books. The Marvel Comics Presents book was a good idea, but we already have NINE teams on the list and the Defenders and The Ultimates are...well...redundant imho.

Ask yourself this. Should they be on this list because they HAVE to be? Do they fulfill a role that the other teams on this list don't? Or do you want them on this list because you LIKE them?