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    Quote Originally Posted by chachi View Post
    Got the chance to read this. Not a lot happens. Everyone is mad at Peter. He has been "gone" for months it seems. Nothing is revealed as to what "peter did" The MJ part is interesting, and the art is pretty good. Feel it will be a while to we find out what happened / what's really going on.
    Since that "Weeks" flashforward at the end of Beyond where that glowing being encountered Peter while he was limbering up with Mary Jane . . . ?
    The spider is always on the hunt.

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    Until they bring in a better artist, my $5 will stay in my pocket.....ugh!

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    The 2000s to me was the last true golden age. You had something for everyone back then. Spider-Girl for the happy ever after crowd, Ultimate Spider-Man for new readers who got a chance to read a new Peter from the ground up in high school (and eventually got Miles), you had JMS exploring more, mature themes for Peter and MJ, you had Miller behaving himself with Marvel Knights (less so with Trouble, but that's besides the point), for female readers and young romantics you had the Spidey Loves Mary Jane series. Younger readers had Marvel Adventures Spidey. And you had the newspaper comic giving us some great Peter/MJ content too.

    Fast forward to now, all of that has largely dried up. Oh sure you get small bursts of good here and there, but they've never been on the same level of sustainment as all that across 1998-2010.

    If Quesada had left well enough alone, his reign as EIC would have been remembered for all the swings he took that weren't ultimately big misses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Rat View Post
    The 2000s to me was the last true golden age. You had something for everyone back then. Spider-Girl for the happy ever after crowd, Ultimate Spider-Man for new readers who got a chance to read a new Peter from the ground up in high school (and eventually got Miles), you had JMS exploring more, mature themes for Peter and MJ, you had Miller behaving himself with Marvel Knights (less so with Trouble, but that's besides the point), for female readers and young romantics you had the Spidey Loves Mary Jane series. Younger readers had Marvel Adventures Spidey. And you had the newspaper comic giving us some great Peter/MJ content too.

    Fast forward to now, all of that has largely dried up. Oh sure you get small bursts of good here and there, but they've never been on the same level of sustainment as all that across 1998-2010.

    If Quesada had left well enough alone, his reign as EIC would have been remembered for all the swings he took that weren't ultimately big misses.
    I guess people really didn't give enough credit to the kind of tonal and creative variety we got in that era, nowadays it's mostly just whichever Spider might get the occasional mini or series and Peter and Miles' standard books with the occasional spinoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Rat View Post
    The 2000s to me was the last true golden age. You had something for everyone back then. Spider-Girl for the happy ever after crowd, Ultimate Spider-Man for new readers who got a chance to read a new Peter from the ground up in high school (and eventually got Miles), you had JMS exploring more, mature themes for Peter and MJ, you had Miller behaving himself with Marvel Knights (less so with Trouble, but that's besides the point), for female readers and young romantics you had the Spidey Loves Mary Jane series. Younger readers had Marvel Adventures Spidey. And you had the newspaper comic giving us some great Peter/MJ content too.

    Fast forward to now, all of that has largely dried up. Oh sure you get small bursts of good here and there, but they've never been on the same level of sustainment as all that across 1998-2010.

    If Quesada had left well enough alone, his reign as EIC would have been remembered for all the swings he took that weren't ultimately big misses.
    Also To Have And To Hold and Paul Jenkins' run, which is up there with JMS' IMO.

    Honestly, other than Sins Past and the fact OMD/BND happened towards the end, the 2000's were a great decade for Spider-Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex85 View Post
    Marvel thinks Spider-Man is torture porn where he is constantly set back in life and stuck not getting the girl, being unsuccessful, and failing repeatedly. And they subscribe to this idea based on Peter being about "youth."

    First and foremost Peter is a human, and the vast majority of people grow and develop in life, find a significant other, have kids etc. This version Marvel has been stuck on since 2007 is not relatable.

    Peter Parker stopped becoming about youth the moment Uncle Ben died and he had to become the bread winner and get a job to support Aunt May. Spider-Man is not about youth because people are not about youth. Being about youth forever is not relatable to anyone in life.

    The reason Spider-Man was awesome before OMD was because he grew up.
    This post is all kinds of awesome.

    Spider-Man comics have added no value since 2007. The animated films and the Insomniac games have pushed the character forward a lot more than the post-OMD comics have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinroc View Post
    Spider-Man was out of High School within 30 issues. And the people at Marvel think that was the greatest mistake in the company's history.
    Not to nitpick, but I get the sense that when Quesada and Brevoort say "high school", they're actually talking about the entire teen era and are just explaining it poorly. Like how people for some reason use the term "Year One" to describe anything within Batman's first three years, lol. It's one of those weird brain glitches.

    In which case, Spider-Man was a teen and about "youth" for about two decades (18-19 year old college students are still teens).

    It doesn't make Quesada and Breevort right, though.
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    The hero screw up and loses everyone and everything...never been done before. So glad we are getting such an original story.

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    Oh look. Peter and MJ are broken up again. After seeming like nothing would separate them after Spencer put them through literal hell.

    Oh look. Peter is down on his luck and is alienated from everyone.

    It's getting old, Marvel.

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    What other main title has been consistently bad for 15 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou D. Kid View Post
    What other main title has been consistently bad for 15 years?
    None. It's only Amazing Spider-Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou D. Kid View Post
    What other main title has been consistently bad for 15 years?
    The X-Men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou D. Kid View Post
    What other main title has been consistently bad for 15 years?
    There has been some bright spots. Some really good bright spots.

    But it's REALLY hard to be invested in the character when they're so dead set on maintaining Status Quo.

    Oh things are looking up for Peter? Give it a year or so.

    It's why the general sentiment I got with MJ and Peter getting back together in Spencer's run was "It's not going to last."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou D. Kid View Post
    Also To Have And To Hold and Paul Jenkins' run, which is up there with JMS' IMO.
    It's not even close to me, that story just has Spidey and MJ thinking that they love each other very much in rather generic ways, JMS did so in ways that felt like Peter and MJ were talking.

    I always felt that the story by itself isn't that good too, but got overrated because it happened right before OMD.
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    We all know that BND was a collective mid-life crisis from Marvel back then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukmendes View Post
    It's not even close to me, that story just has Spidey and MJ thinking that they love each other very much in rather generic ways, JMS did so in ways that felt like Peter and MJ were talking.

    I always felt that the story by itself isn't that good too, but got overrated because it happened right before OMD.
    Agree to disagree. I think it's one of the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    The X-Men.
    Even since Hickman? I heard good things.

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