Could the Justice League fit into the Matt Reeves Batman Universe?

[j9ac9k]

They could. And it would look kinda like this:

[Jim Kelly]

Up until the 1990s, there wasn't such a huge proliferation of Bat-villains with super-powers and freakish mutations. Killer Croc was just a gangster with a skin condition. Poison Ivy was a regular human being with chemically treated lipstick. While the Spook seemed almost like a ghost, he probably was simply a master of escapes and illusions. I miss them days.

[PCN24454]

Up until the 1990s, there wasn't such a huge proliferation of Bat-villains with super-powers and freakish mutations. Killer Croc was just a gangster with a skin condition. Poison Ivy was a regular human being with chemically treated lipstick. While the Spook seemed almost like a ghost, he probably was simply a master of escapes and illusions. I miss them days.

I don’t. What’s the point of having a superhero if they don’t go against genuine supervillains?

[Agent Z]

On his own as a superhero.

a distinction without a difference. Also, we already have the various Robins, Batgirls, Huntress, Batwoman, etc.

And you can’t tell a Cadmus arc without a Justice League. Just one example.

What does that have to with anything? No one would ask for a Cadmus arc that involves only Batman to begin with.

[Agent Z]

I don’t. What’s the point of having a superhero if they don’t go against genuine supervillains?

You don't need superpowers to be considered a superhero or supervillain. If that were the case, Batman himself would be disqualified.

[SecretWarrior]

a distinction without a difference. Also, we already have the various Robins, Batgirls, Huntress, Batwoman, etc.



What does that have to with anything? No one would ask for a Cadmus arc that involves only Batman to begin with.

The distinction is clear. Sides of his personality are magnified by being with other superheroes, like his paranoia or his commitment to his code, which goes beyond not killing.



Who said anything about Batman being the focal character for a Cadmus arc? He’s just a really interesting supporting character in a story like that.

[SecretWarrior]

You don't need superpowers to be considered a superhero or supervillain. If that were the case, Batman himself would be disqualified.

Batman is more interesting when he can face off against super powered characters or threats that are more than just street level.

[Agent Z]

The distinction is clear. Sides of his personality are magnified by being with other superheroes, like his paranoia or his commitment to his code, which goes beyond not killing.

A clip of Bruce fighting another Batman doesn't prove your point.

Who said anything about Batman being the focal character for a Cadmus arc? He’s just a really interesting supporting character in a story like that.

Not nearly as interesting in his own world.

[Agent Z]

Batman is more interesting when he can face off against super powered characters or threats that are more than just street level.

And what does this have to do with showing off his personality which is your main argument for why he is better interacting with other superheroes?

[SecretWarrior]

A clip of Bruce fighting another Batman doesn't prove your point.



Not nearly as interesting in his own world.

It does illustrate my point, because you couldn’t do something like that without world building.

A universe with other heroes let’s you have it all.

[SecretWarrior]

And what does this have to do with showing off his personality which is your main argument for why he is better interacting with other superheroes?

Two separate points for two separate posts. If you want to link them, fighting metas shows a higher degree of ingenuity and bravery. It also allows him to express political views about other super characters. Batman adaptations have treading the same ground in circles since 2005.

[ironman2978]

Two separate points for two separate posts. If you want to link them, fighting metas shows a higher degree of ingenuity and bravery. It also allows him to express political views about other super characters. Batman adaptations have treading the same ground in circles since 2005.

While I do like Batman fighting super villain/super powered threats as much as human/normal threats or is in noir/crime dramas, when I hear Batman express political views about other super powered characters, it always leads to stuff like Tower of Babel/Batman v Superman which seems like an unnecessary reaction that can come off as overly paranoid. He's a versatile character.

I enjoy stories like Brave and the Bold, The Batman, New Frontier and his Justice League work, and he can be showed as a man who can keep up with super power, almost god like beings. But they don't need to have super powers to be interesting stories while still adhering to what makes Bruce interesting(BTAS, Broken City and The Batman film)

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[Agent Z]

Two separate points for two separate posts. If you want to link them, fighting metas shows a higher degree of ingenuity and bravery. It also allows him to express political views about other super characters. Batman adaptations have treading the same ground in circles since 2005.

Are you under the impression that the movies (which include Batman v Superman) are the only Batman adaptations we've had since 2005?

[Agent Z]

It does illustrate my point, because you couldn’t do something like that without world building.

A universe with other heroes let’s you have it all.

Worldbuilding and shared universe are not the same thing. With the exception of the Amazo Android, which was completely irrelevant to the plot, Under the Red Hood had no connections to the wider DCU and was focused solely on Batman's world. Batman doesn't need a world with other heroes for Freeze, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc etc to exist. Especially when none of them have origins dependent on other heroes. You're argument is based on a complete fallacy.

[SecretWarrior]

Worldbuilding and shared universe are not the same thing. With the exception of the Amazo Android, which was completely irrelevant to the plot, Under the Red Hood had no connections to the wider DCU and was focused solely on Batman's world. Batman doesn't need a world with other heroes for Freeze, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc etc to exist. Especially when none of them have origins dependent on other heroes. You're argument is based on a complete fallacy.

Not really. MCU avoided jumping the shark by establishing a shared universe. The MCU of 2008 is far more grounded than the MCU of 2022.