X-Men #11 - showing the hand *spoilers*

[jmc247]

I posted my thoughts about the dress on my Tumblr. Going to copy and paste them here.

I'll be honest, I think a little more could be done with this look. It feels like it's missing something around the shoulders and head. BUT - this is an important but - this is a massive improvement compared to the Hellfire Gala dress from last year.

It maintains the green as her primary color while adding gold - which serves three valuable character-related points.

One, it's a visual callback to her very first costume.

Two, gold fits well with her powers being tied to metal and all.

Three, gold is one of those colors historically associated with royalty, which also fits her status as a mutant princess via Genosha very well.

She's also utilizing her powers here which is a massive booster for the look. Both with the little green and gold bits under her skirt, and with the other multicolored pieces (not sure exactly what they are) at the bottom. Since she has control over the electromagnetic spectrum, she has access to all visible colors in addition to non-visible wavelengths.

All in all, I'm happy to see that Marvel was willing to give a new dress a shot. I thought for sure they wouldn't do something like this based on what I've seen in the past about Marvel, and it means a lot that they were willing to do this. I hope they continue in that vein. And that this isn't just a means of assuaging fans before doing something bad with Lorna in the near future, which is another thing they often do.

It does need a bit more work, yes something perhaps as you said something around the shoulders or head. However, I agree it's a huge step up. The secondary color gold alone makes a significant difference.

Frankly speaking, most clothes we have in the West could be considered as from slave labor. Payment for workers in countries that make most clothes is minuscule.

But that's not the argument I'm "going with." Their purpose is scouting and intel. Lorna buying the dress advances that goal, same as the girls being there at all and putting up Mysterium. If Lorna's done something wrong by buying the dress, then the entire team is at fault for buying in, most especially whoever came up with the plan. But back to scouting and intel, playing along goes further toward gathering information than not. You can look to Hercules Mulligan for a historical example of how it pays off. As a tailor, he learned vital strategic information for the revolution by working on the clothes of British officers rather than refusing service.

And I would say this all fits for Lorna. She's a veteran, she knows sometimes you have to at least temporarily go along with bad things to reach good outcomes. Especially with this being a To Be Continued, we'd have to see what the next issue does.

On the slavery question if one wants to go deep what Lorna was describing from her retcon it was serfdom not slavery. The difference being slavery at its core is about the legal ownership of persons and serfdom is about a Lord forcing people to work in a community under threat of violence against their community from his Knights.

Though the term serfdom from an American context doesn't have much resonance which I am sure why that word wasn't used. Also, someone had to get their hands dirty doing retcon why not have it be the more morally ambiguous member of the team. If Duggan was writing her like a Golden Girl heroine like certain others tried doing about 95% of the fan enthusiasm would have evaporated. Also, its information that will almost certainly matter in terms of next issue and the downfall of Gameworld.

[jwatson]

This scene was hot fire…

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Great issue! I feel like this series is really hitting its stride. Between this book, Red, Immortal and Wolverine I’m eating good as an X-fan.

I loved this scene for so many reasons too. Never again will Ev just lie in a ditch somewhere we know he can call on that healing factor in a second. Duggan is doing the work on synch! I am loving his Polaris too, i got a good chuckle out of the dress scene and immediately thought jumbo is going to want to know the designer because he will be his new rival. lol

[Sylarmax]

This theme was choral, and it wasn't a bad theme, it was choral, but it wasn't a more girl-focused theme (except jean) so it was a bait, more because some characters didn't really do anything.
But still I don't consider it a bad issue.


The funny and ironic.:

Jean is pro SOCIALISM apparently, what she needed to be less likeable, socialism is horrible and doesn't really work, so I don't understand how some JEANGRIS fans are okay or happy with that.
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[Exodus]

This theme was choral, and it wasn't a bad theme, it was choral, but it wasn't a more girl-focused theme (except jean) so it was a bait, more because some characters didn't really do anything.
But still I don't consider it a bad issue.


The funny and ironic.:

Jean is pro SOCIALISM apparently, what she needed to be less likeable, socialism is horrible and doesn't really work, so I don't understand how some JEANGRIS fans are okay or happy with that.
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lol thats all what I can say. lol

[Rev9]

First of all, BRA-freaking-VO to BobbysWorld for calling Stasis as Sinister! What the hell games is he playing? Sinister is really becoming quite the antagonistic force of the era with his shady shenanigans.

I need a cigarette after the gorgeous art manhandled me and I don’t even smoke. Great seeing Rocket and I love that Remy’s gambling den is such a fixture of the treehouse.

Are we looking at a Fungi Laura and Fungi Jean versus Lorna and Rogue next issue? Let’s goooo!



Outstanding.

I actually thought so too just don't remember the thread where I mentioned this. Well Sinister is an entire clan at this point.

[Devaishwarya]

Her exact words are "Capitalism's final form...Gambling on the ruin of worlds"

To me, it didn't mean she was denouncing Capitalism and being pro Socialism, but instead simply making a commentary on the particularly abhorrent "brand" that exists on GW.

So yes, this Jean Grey fan is quite happy and okies with that.

[Rev9]

Weird to hear Cyke despite being Captain Krakoa feeling his team mates are his 'betters'

[Sylarmax]

Do you hold your own purchases to the same ethical standards you hold Lorna's to?

Leave it there are people from the comfort of their home and using technology and smartphones (which ironically if they are pro-socialism they shouldn't), they don't really understand how HORRIBLE socialism translates, so if this doesn't leave Jean very well and leave even worse to the fans who are happy with that and worse justify something as atrocious as socialism really is, which is really translated in practice in: those with high purchasing power are wrong and we must attack them and expropriate (steal) their goods and properties go to the state, and everyone must be doing work equally ..... everyone except the leaders of course.
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The truth is that today there are people who believe that socialism is good is shameful.

[Havok83]

This theme was choral, and it wasn't a bad theme, it was choral, but it wasn't a more girl-focused theme (except jean) so it was a bait, more because some characters didn't really do anything.
But still I don't consider it a bad issue.


The funny and ironic.:

Jean is pro SOCIALISM apparently, what she needed to be less likeable, socialism is horrible and doesn't really work, so I don't understand how some JEANGRIS fans are okay or happy with that.
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You arent a Jean Grey fan so its not for you to understand. Just be satisied this gave you more fodder to hate her

[Sylarmax]

Her exact words are "Capitalism's final form...Gambling on the ruin of worlds"

To me, it didn't mean she was denouncing Capitalism and being pro Socialism, but instead simply making a commentary on the particularly abhorrent "brand" that exists on GW.

So yes, this Jean Grey fan is quite happy and okies with that.

She still sounded very pro-socialism AND THAT IN REAL LIFE I'M SORRY BUT IT'S NOT A GOOD THING.


People who have really lived the socialist concept in their own flesh I think will feel quite offended, reading post praising the virtues of Marxists and socialism. X_x

[Devaishwarya]

Weird to hear Cyke despite being Captain Krakoa feeling his team mates are his 'betters'

He's a humble, leader. Nothing wrong with that.

[Malachi]

The truth is that today there are people who believe that socialism is good is shameful.

I know that this is comics but a statement like that is not going to age well. I would say that it has aged terrible these last minutes already. Mankind has so far not invented any political or finanical system that works. Some might work in some circumenstances but fail horribly in others.

Jean is a compassionate person. Thinking back to X-men red she was dreaming about a better world. I like her the best when her capacity to care is one of her defining traits.

[Sylarmax]

You arent a Jean Grey fan so its not for you to understand. Just be satisied this gave you more fodder to hate her

I'm not a fan of Jean nor do I really hate her, I just don't care, but I do understand perfectly what socialism means and what it really entails when they apply it and it's not something to praise or feel ok or happy about. Tks

[Rift]

You know, if Hellion were in charge, I bet he could come up with an economic and political system that's better and more morally-sound than everything else. Think about it.

[davetvs]

Leave it there are people from the comfort of their home and using technology and smartphones (which ironically if they are pro-socialism they shouldn't), they don't really understand how HORRIBLE socialism translates, so if this doesn't leave Jean very well and leave even worse to the fans who are happy with that and worse justify something as atrocious as socialism really is, which is really translated in practice in: those with high purchasing power are wrong and we must attack them and expropriate (steal) their goods and properties go to the state, and everyone must be doing work equally ..... everyone except the leaders of course.
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The truth is that today there are people who believe that socialism is good is shameful.

I mean, sure, but the version of socialism that's a popular ideology among US leftists is not "socialism," it's "democratic socialism." It's not hard to imagine Jean as a democratic socialist.