Velma (gory Scooby-doo HBO Max show)

[Brian B]

Ummm, your argument makes no sense -

1.) Nobody was arrested for Cuties either and that production used real child actors and the content was far more troubling than Velma's. Once again it falls under the artistic expression umbrella which I feel is abused by shows like Velma and Cuties for shock value or worse. These are not good-faith actors IMHO.

2.) And besides, I never stated it was traditional child porn rather the material used underage animated characters which I feel is objectionable as do many others.


PS I'm done arguing with you about this matter. I have no plans to watch the remainder of Velma so enjoy. Life is too short for such misery.

1.) Cuties was not child porn, either. You can “feel” what you want, but legally, factually, in the real world, neither Cuties nor Velma is child porn. No one was arrested or charged with that crime for these two productions.

2.) “Traditional child porn?” What the heck is “traditional child porn?” I am terrified of the very concept of “traditional child porn.” Also, animation has nothing to do with whether or not something is porn or child porn. The legal test for any porn is if there is a prurient interest, which means, basically, is it something people use for sexual interests. Velma ain’t that! Neither was Cuties.

[Brian B]

BTW, I think if the producers wanted to improve Velma, they’d stick a canned laugh track all over it, just like the original Scooby.

[Timothy Hunter]

Full disclosure I haven't watched Velma, nor do I intend to. I loved Scooby-Doo as a kid but I lost interest in the franchise a looooong time ago. That being said I'm not going to pre-judge Velma as good or bad.

Do you think that the raunchy tone of Velma as well as its negative reception from audiences and critics alike will hurt the Scooby-Doo brand going forward?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

BTW, I think if the producers wanted to improve Velma, they’d stick a canned laugh track all over it, just like the original Scooby.

Or save the money and just re-air a Pup Named Scooby Doo. I mean they could save a lot with it.

[Thezmage]

Do you think that the raunchy tone of Velma as well as its negative reception from audiences and critics alike will hurt the Scooby-Doo brand going forward?

No. Not any more than the current leadership already does by just general incompetence, at least.

And the reason a lot of people bring up Mystery Inc is because it brought a lot of people who lost interest in the franchise a long time ago back into the fold, myself among them. Just saying.

[Immortal Weapon]

Honestly? I think I just think the brew ha ha has gotten a little overblown. I honestly think it's written well. It was just a different spin and interpretation and that just doesn't sit well with certain people for whatever reason. I really don't think it's anymore complicated than that.

I don't see what's well written about it. The show can't go a few minutes without referencing another show or troupe. Bringing attention to how dumb and cliché a trope is and then do it is not clever writing. It's just being dumb and cliché as the rest of them. Characterizations so far is one note. Is their anything to Fred other than being a dumbass with a small dick? Being different would have been fine if the core of who these characters are were still present and they are not.

I interpreted that as she just thinks she has more important things to do. A lot of gifted kids tend to get bad grades just because their bored. This version of Velma doesn't seem to particularly care about validation like that.

None of that serves to make Velma a likable character and she's the one we're suppose to root for.

Yeah, there's nothing bigoted and certainly nothing discriminatory about it. Like, how exactly is it discriminatory? What are white people being precluded from on this show?

She's being highly judgmental of everyone around her and largely has to due with their race. I like to dunk on white people as much as any colored person but Velma is being genuinely malicious with it. She did falsely accuse Fred of murder because of his privilege and continued to humiliate him after being proven wrong. She is awful.

[The Negative Zone]

Norvelle is not a stand in. Norvelle is Shaggy's actual name. This series chose to use his real name.

Does anyone else feel like they do stuff like this because deep down they know they're making a completely unrecognizable character or that they didn't wanna actually commit to making a black Shaggy? Making a character so obviously supposed to be the character and then renaming(even if you use a lesser-known canon name) them just feels like damage control to me.

[Jackalope89]

I honestly don't intend to watch this. Scooby-Doo being "dark and edgy" was done, and done right, with Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost. And that was without breaking the characters from what people knew and loved. And Pup Named Scooby-Doo was a great prequel series. Sure, Freddy was a little obsessed with making Red Herring the villain, but he was otherwise doing his best to help out and solve mysteries.

[Nathaniel Gray]

I like to dunk on white people as much as any colored person

And why exactly is that?

[babyblob]

Saw the first episode and I really did not like it. Just did not think it was a good show and had many flaws.

To get my Scooby Fix I have been Watching Scooby Doo and Guess Who. I am enjoying the different stars on it. And I loved the one with Weird Al

[Alan2099]

Saw the first episode and I really did not like it. Just did not think it was a good show and had many flaws.

To get my Scooby Fix I have been Watching Scooby Doo and Guess Who. I am enjoying the different stars on it. And I loved the one with Weird Al

It's an interesting show. It's extremely formulaic, even for Scooby Doo, but some of their choices of guest stars are really out there.

Did anyone ever really expect to see Steve Urkle again?

[Celgress]

It's an interesting show. It's extremely formulaic, even for Scooby Doo, but some of their choices of guest stars are really out there.

Did anyone ever really expect to see Steve Urkle again?

I didn't but I loved his appearance it was hilarious.

[babyblob]

It's an interesting show. It's extremely formulaic, even for Scooby Doo, but some of their choices of guest stars are really out there.

Did anyone ever really expect to see Steve Urkle again?

I admit I did not. But it made me laugh my butt off.

[Gaastra]

Making a character so obviously supposed to be the character and then renaming(even if you use a lesser-known canon name) them just feels like damage control to me.

Not watched velma so can't comment on how shaggy is in the show but Norvelle is and has been his real name and shaggy a nickname. Second live movie, scooby and the alien invaders, pup named scooby-doo, new scooby-doo mysteries, scooby and scrappy show and others have brought it up. Even lego dimensions game called him it at one point.

Now if they bring back shaggys little sister that only showed up twice in two shows only in scoobys whole history than abandoned and never used again than we can call it a less known canon from scooby!

[Johnny]

They say it's supposed to be an origin story, so even if the characters are entirely unrecognizable, at least from an origin standpoint using Shaggy's real name does make sense.