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    Going from what I read about Peter Pan he seems to be a character who's easy to make into the bad guy. Pooh and piglet not so much. Really one would have to change their characterization drastically to make them into bad guys. which of course is what this movie is doing.

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    While I can follow that there is something to combining child-centric imagery with more serious material for effective storytelling (Disney's own Christopher Robin did that really well, with the childlike elements of the 100 Acre Wood really marrying well with the main story of an adult finding himself again), there just something wrong about trying to make Winnie the Pooh evil. I'm not going to watch this.
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    This sounds gloriously stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruceleegreyhulk View Post
    Going from what I read about Peter Pan he seems to be a character who's easy to make into the bad guy. Pooh and piglet not so much. Really one would have to change their characterization drastically to make them into bad guys. which of course is what this movie is doing.
    Well, the book that the animated Peter Pan was based on, Pan is not a good guy.

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    Disappointing that this just looks like Winnie the Pooh put in a horror story with not much creativity. I think it would be a fun challenge if someone took Chapter 7 of the original book and made it darker or even turned it into horror. Rabbit, Pooh, and Piglet are intimidated by Kanga, so they scheme to kidnap Roo and swap him with Piglet to scare Kanga away. It has potential for a horror story if they just give it a dark ending.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Trail View Post
    At this point, I say Public Domain for these characters can't come fast enough. Sure, we might get "horror Pooh," but we might also get stories that harken back to an age when these characters were aspirational, heroic and fun rather than grim, nasty and frightening.
    There's definitely room for all interpretations. Dark, light, classic, modern, I just want to see unique takes on old stories told well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaastra View Post
    A disney show no less. Also pan was not the bad guy till tests screening changed him to it in rescue rangers. Bad guy was pluto pretending to be pan. The non aged lost boy was meant to be a clue something was wrong. It was redubbed to make him the real pan later. Pan showed up still young at the end of the now called "plutocut".

    All changed after that first screening backlash. So pan took the fall for pluto. Test viewers didn't want pluto the bad guy.
    And where can one watch this Plutocut?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFTF View Post
    The public domain makes the dissemination of the original works easier. It also makes creating new takes on old stories and characters easier, but it's harder to tell which ones wouldn't have been created without the public domain (unless you're absolutely sure the creators are strapped for cash). Would Muppet Treasure Island have existed if the Hensons had to negotiate with the descendants of Robert Louis Stevenson? Would we have gotten The Lunar Chronicles without the fairy tales they're based on in the public domain? John Boorman's Excalibur? BBC's Sherlock? Neil Gaiman's The Graveyard Book (which is based on The Jungle Book, if no one's figured that out yet)? Pinocchio, Vampire Slayer (which sounds terrible but is surprisingly good)?

    Heck, we definitely had an uptick in Oz material after Baum's books entered the public domain and some of it was dismal like NBC's Emerald City, but some was also fantastic like Amazon's Lost in Oz. So, don't give up on the concept of the public domain just because someone's going to make a B horror movie.
    I like it when people have to get so creative that the source material is completely different from what they do (Graveyard Book is a good example of being more inspired by the Jungle Book than an adaptation of it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruceleegreyhulk View Post
    Going from what I read about Peter Pan he seems to be a character who's easy to make into the bad guy. Pooh and piglet not so much. Really one would have to change their characterization drastically to make them into bad guys. which of course is what this movie is doing.
    From the pictures I've seen, it isn't even really the characters but killers wearing costumes depicting the characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farealmer View Post
    There was also "There Will Be Brawl" that was done with nintendo smash brothers characters even without them being in the public domain. So not being public domain gives no protection from this kind of thing. Like or dislike public domain, but that's a separate issue from things like this.
    Just look at (or don't if you're on a work computer) at the prefectly legal porn parodies of characters like Star Wars and Batman who are clearly still under copyright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    People keep trying to sell me on everything needing to be public domain, but this sounds terrible. Who would want a horror take on Pooh Bear? I'd rather get another Disney cartoon.
    As a Pooh hater, I would totally watch a horror take on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titanfan View Post
    As a Pooh hater, I would totally watch a horror take on it.
    As a Pooh lover, I can't say I'm enthusiastic .

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    Looking forward to hearing more about this, weirdly. When in school I read The Pooh Perplex, and it made me never see Winnie the Pooh the same way again. Might be fun. Admittedly, I'm much more a fan of the characters as stereotypes rather than the actual stories of Pooh.

    edit: just looked over the stills. Actually, so far this looks like a train wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by JBatmanFan05 View Post
    You speak the truth (at least for many comic characters). We've seen enough of what happens when Batman and Superman are presented solely by DC/WB.....all or mostly grim n gritty edgelord stuff (and for Superman, terrible continuity/status quo).

    Grant Morrison has done the most (for me) to see the light....that our culture and comics are effed up. Gone (or mostly gone) are things with the approach or optimistic tone of Star Trek TNG (or most of Quantum Leap, etc). We're seemingly obsessed with apocalyptic doom and gloom and death (Walking Dead, Zach Snyder, NuTrek, etc). Morrison's Batman run ultimately sadly concedes the Moore/Miller-inspired status quo of Batman has won the day since the 80s; Grant admits he lost. Morrison's All Star Superman is interesting in how isolated it feels from most every other trade released about Superman in a long time.
    Yes there is a Batman problem for sure and its mostly due to Frank Miller. But I wouldn't go so far as to say culture is cynically-minded. Even though there is plenty of cynicism, the MCU is very positive and has done swimmingly good business in today's culture. Top 10 movies of all time - all positive with positive endings. You don't really get a negative movie on the list until Joker which came in at 33 (how?).

    I'm optimistic that movie execs and those funding all media, including comics, have noticed this effect in society. But that said, Batman still has a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Taylor View Post
    Looking forward to hearing more about this, weirdly. When in school I read The Pooh Perplex, and it made me never see Winnie the Pooh the same way again. Might be fun. Admittedly, I'm much more a fan of the characters as stereotypes rather than the actual stories of Pooh.

    edit: just looked over the stills. Actually, so far this looks like a train wreck



    Yes there is a Batman problem for sure and its mostly due to Frank Miller. But I wouldn't go so far as to say culture is cynically-minded. Even though there is plenty of cynicism, the MCU is very positive and has done swimmingly good business in today's culture. Top 10 movies of all time - all positive with positive endings. You don't really get a negative movie on the list until Joker which came in at 33 (how?).

    I'm optimistic that movie execs and those funding all media, including comics, have noticed this effect in society. But that said, Batman still has a problem.
    In many respects, it's a case of saying the audience wants something because that's all they get and everyone who doesn't want that has walked away. Comics have generally been in the cynical gloom and doom business for so long that, yes, the people still reading modern comics want that. But a look at the popularity of the MCU gives a pretty good idea gloom and doom is not what most people want.
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