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    Default MCU Natasha Romanoff vs 616 Natasha Romanoff

    MCU Black Widow takes on her 616 self(which's enhanced human with not so superhuman augmentations)

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    Well, MCU Widow has vastly superhuman durability for no known reason, so she probably wins the war of attrition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    Well, MCU Widow has vastly superhuman durability for no known reason, so she probably wins the war of attrition.
    Isn't 616 Natasha a CBPH? That would put her beyond her MCU self.

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    I wouldn’t put 616 Natasha as CBPH in any criteria really. She’s in that ‘pretty good comic book martial artist’ tier, but she’s definitely below the likes of Cap or Batman.

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    As the duck says, she's a tier below CBPH. And, despite the tongue in cheek statement I made above, it's still true that MCU Nat is roughly as durable as, I dunno, Luke Cage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    As the duck says, she's a tier below CBPH. And, despite the tongue in cheek statement I made above, it's still true that MCU Nat is roughly as durable as, I dunno, Luke Cage.
    Lol. What? I didn’t see her movie, but unless she got a specific AMPed new form that’s not consistent…

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    Lol. What? I didn’t see her movie, but unless she got a specific AMPed new form that’s not consistent…
    She takes ludicrous punishment in her film. A CBPH would have been chunky salsa with what she took.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    She takes ludicrous punishment in her film. A CBPH would have been chunky salsa with what she took.
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    Just as references and yeah it's ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galerion View Post



    Just as references and yeah it's ridiculous.
    In a comic, it can be hard to judge the impact the way you do in a movie. But, defensively, when it comes to soak, I'd say she's beyond CBPH although I think that level gradually sneaks up as power levels creep up through time.

    But this may be one of those situations where the movie version outpowers the comic book version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galerion View Post
    This is the one, for me, that really is the big 'takes more damage than a Peak Human'. I mean, she falls a ridiculous distance, bouncing and ragdolling off of metal ducts and so forth, and then just walks it off after.

    Any other stuff in the movie that's in-line with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    This is the one, for me, that really is the big 'takes more damage than a Peak Human'. I mean, she falls a ridiculous distance, bouncing and ragdolling off of metal ducts and so forth, and then just walks it off after.

    Any other stuff in the movie that's in-line with this?
    She and her sister are in a rather spectacular car crash that they just shrugg off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul # 7 View Post
    She and her sister are in a rather spectacular car crash that they just shrugg off.

    With belts on, that would be perfectly possible, but without? Them just hopping up and running away does seem a tad...unlikely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    With belts on, that would be perfectly possible, but without? Them just hopping up and running away does seem a tad...unlikely.
    Natasha says "put your seatbelt on," right before they get blown up so I think at least she was wearing a belt.
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    Missed that (no audio at work); thanks, Nik.

    If they had belts on, it's not a great indication of CBPH+ durability. Belt on, I can totally see Captain America or Bruce popping out of a car that does that and proceeding to beat all heck out of people.

    Cripes, belt-on it's not really an indication of durability EQUAL to those two.

    Any other things?
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