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[Lukmendes]

In that sense, why be pissed off at the mutants for having their "mutant-exclusive" method of resurrection when they can just hit up Tony Stark to make his "biotechnological reboot" that he used to revive himself (and Rhodey) at the end of Brian Bendis's Iron Man run available to everyone? Either that, or recruit the Jackal and/or Doctor Octopus, both of whom managed to master comparatively advanced versions of cloning tech that could effectively emulate resurrection, Ock particularly by combining the Jackal's cloning/"reanimation" tech with the Spider-Verse's Inheritors' cloning-and-mind transfer tech.

Everyone else basically abandoned these technologies, even Jackal hasn't been doing a lot of cloning since he returned, mutants are the ones abusing that **** and to the point everyone is Ben Reilly know, and that's why people got annoyed I guess lol.

Hell, Doctor Stasis, the alleged "real Mister Sinister/Nathaniel Essex" working for Orchis, could just offer humanity their own version of the Krakoan Resurrection Protocols, as they were derived from the mutant Sinister's massive archive of mutant, human, and nonmutant superhuman DNA.

Save for that one time he made a bunch of Ben clones, I thought Sinister only cared about mutant DNA.

[Huntsman Spider]

Everyone else basically abandoned these technologies, even Jackal hasn't been doing a lot of cloning since he returned, mutants are the ones abusing that **** and to the point everyone is Ben Reilly know, and that's why people got annoyed I guess lol.



Save for that one time he made a bunch of Ben clones, I thought Sinister only cared about mutant DNA.

Tom Taylor's The Adamantium Agenda in the Hunt for Wolverine saga implied if not stated that Sinister collected everyone's DNA, not just mutants, which would explain the Ben Reilly clones from Wolverines #5-6.

[JB]

Tom Taylor's The Adamantium Agenda in the Hunt for Wolverine saga implied if not stated that Sinister collected everyone's DNA, not just mutants, which would explain the Ben Reilly clones from Wolverines #5-6.

Also in Powers of X #4 when Xavier and Magneto approach Sinister, they mention the library he's building of the world's DNA. They just suggest a "slight deviation of focus" to prioritize making a comprehensive database of mutant DNA.

[Huntsman Spider]

Also in Powers of X #4 when Xavier and Magneto approach Sinister, they mention the library he's building of the world's DNA. They just suggest a "slight deviation of focus" to prioritize making a comprehensive database of mutant DNA.

Thanks for the refresher.

[Habis]

In that sense, why be pissed off at the mutants for having their "mutant-exclusive" method of resurrection when they can just hit up Tony Stark to make his "biotechnological reboot" that he used to revive himself (and Rhodey) at the end of Brian Bendis's Iron Man run available to everyone? Either that, or recruit the Jackal and/or Doctor Octopus, both of whom managed to master comparatively advanced versions of cloning tech that could effectively emulate resurrection, Ock particularly by combining the Jackal's cloning/"reanimation" tech with the Spider-Verse's Inheritors' cloning-and-mind transfer tech. Hell, Doctor Stasis, the alleged "real Mister Sinister/Nathaniel Essex" working for Orchis, could just offer humanity their own version of the Krakoan Resurrection Protocols, as they were derived from the mutant Sinister's massive archive of mutant, human, and nonmutant superhuman DNA.

Because of plot. Everybody will forget that "immortality" is already achieveable by humans and will demand the mutants to share their version so there can be tension...

[Huntsman Spider]

Because of plot. Everybody will forget that "immortality" is already achieveable by humans and will demand the mutants to share their version so there can be tension...

Yeah, pretty much.

[Wolverine12]

spoilers:

so what is moira going to do at the gala if not reveal immortality? surely she isn't going disguised as mj to just kill some people. maybe she reveals what her and xavier had been doing behind the scenes

end of spoilers

Moira is going to open the back door and let the Eternals in to spoil the party.

[Lukmendes]

Tom Taylor's The Adamantium Agenda in the Hunt for Wolverine saga implied if not stated that Sinister collected everyone's DNA, not just mutants, which would explain the Ben Reilly clones from Wolverines #5-6.

That's weird, the Sinister in Krakoa only seemed to care about mutants still.

Also in Powers of X #4 when Xavier and Magneto approach Sinister, they mention the library he's building of the world's DNA. They just suggest a "slight deviation of focus" to prioritize making a comprehensive database of mutant DNA.

Huh... I wonder if the "Dr. Stasis" Sinister from X-Men vol 6 is a clone, or the "original" from that Sinister who refused to collect mutant DNA, that Sinister from PoX#4 did sound pretty disgusted at doing anything with the X-gene, not unlike Dr. Stasis:

[Krakoa]

In that sense, why be pissed off at the mutants for having their "mutant-exclusive" method of resurrection when they can just hit up Tony Stark to make his "biotechnological reboot" that he used to revive himself (and Rhodey) at the end of Brian Bendis's Iron Man run available to everyone? Either that, or recruit the Jackal and/or Doctor Octopus, both of whom managed to master comparatively advanced versions of cloning tech that could effectively emulate resurrection, Ock particularly by combining the Jackal's cloning/"reanimation" tech with the Spider-Verse's Inheritors' cloning-and-mind transfer tech. Hell, Doctor Stasis, the alleged "real Mister Sinister/Nathaniel Essex" working for Orchis, could just offer humanity their own version of the Krakoan Resurrection Protocols, as they were derived from the mutant Sinister's massive archive of mutant, human, and nonmutant superhuman DNA.

Does any of the general public know about any of this? Also, are any of these aside from Tony's method (which is likely very expensive) confirmed to transfer the soul/essence in the same way as Krakoan?

[Kurolegacy]

Does any of the general public know about any of this? Also, are any of these aside from Tony's method (which is likely very expensive) confirmed to transfer the soul/essence in the same way as Krakoan?

No, the public doesn’t know about these other methods since they were typically kept pretty close to the vest. Even with Tony’s method, the body needs to be in one piece since it basically reboots the body rather than creating a new one. Also, the method Ben Reilly was using proved to call the soul back but since it’s based on Jackel’s cloning technology, the clone bodies suffer from clone degeneration causing that they have to take a pill every 24 hours or their body rapidly degenerates into carrions (which are highly contagious and able to be spread to non clone bodies) and then dust.

[Devaishwarya]

So if everybody...the Eternals, some Gods, the Superhumans/humans, Orchis and Co., etc...has their own "Resurrection Protocols" then people are really only pissed that the Mutants now have their own; not that resurrection itself exists.

[Micabe]

Cloning, Resurrection, and immortality -- What's next? A Neo revival? Oh, that's right the Celestials killed them all -- The Inhumans are next

[Lukmendes]

No, the public doesn’t know about these other methods since they were typically kept pretty close to the vest. Even with Tony’s method, the body needs to be in one piece since it basically reboots the body rather than creating a new one. Also, the method Ben Reilly was using proved to call the soul back but since it’s based on Jackel’s cloning technology, the clone bodies suffer from clone degeneration causing that they have to take a pill every 24 hours or their body rapidly degenerates into carrions (which are highly contagious and able to be spread to non clone bodies) and then dust.

The pill problem was solved in Clone Conspiracy itself, so unless that sound **** can have some **** to reverse it and make Carrion speed up the degeneration again, Clone Conspiracy's cloning method is universal and pretty strong.

[Kurolegacy]

The pill problem was solved in Clone Conspiracy itself, so unless that sound **** can have some **** to reverse it and make Carrion speed up the degeneration again, Clone Conspiracy's cloning method is universal and pretty strong.

Pretty sure that was a one-time solution to the problem at hand, stabilizing the degeneration for those who around at that time. Future batches of clones would still come with that flaw.

[Habis]

No, the public doesn’t know about these other methods since they were typically kept pretty close to the vest. Even with Tony’s method, the body needs to be in one piece since it basically reboots the body rather than creating a new one. Also, the method Ben Reilly was using proved to call the soul back but since it’s based on Jackel’s cloning technology, the clone bodies suffer from clone degeneration causing that they have to take a pill every 24 hours or their body rapidly degenerates into carrions (which are highly contagious and able to be spread to non clone bodies) and then dust.

Arnim Zola, on the other hand, has been doing a perfect version of "resurrection by cloning and mind transfer" since at least 1942.

Alchemax Genetics can create clones who don't suffer from degeneration (look at Gabby), Dr. Alia Gregor can store human minds, and Dr. Octopus's tech can transfer minds between bodies...

And Tony Stark's method, while requiring the original body to be in one piece... it has the advantage of actually resurrecting the original body, rather than cloning it... While Tony Stark's body was put into the pod immediately after death, Rhodey's body (who died even before Tony, and was buried normally, rather than put in a regenerating pod) was dug up from the grave and resurrected by Tony.

And at least Tony Stark's method is publicly known. People interested in demanding technological "immortality" could pressure him, rather than Krakoa...

Pretty sure that was a one-time solution to the problem at hand, stabilizing the degeneration for those who around at that time. Future batches of clones would still come with that flaw.

They could use the method again every time after making a new clone. Problem solved.

So if everybody...the Eternals, some Gods, the Superhumans/humans, Orchis and Co., etc...has their own "Resurrection Protocols" then people are really only pissed that the Mutants now have their own; not that resurrection itself exists.

We still haven't seen people in-universe being pissed about it. I think Marvel will make people riot about the issue, but they shouldn't... they aren't doing demonstrations in front of Starktech demanding Tony to share it, so, why would they specifically want the mutant version...?

As for the fans, what they are pissed about are the consequences of mutants knowing that they can't die permanently; they treat their own lives as disposable, and there is less tension when they face a dangerous foe...