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[Frontier]

Public will likely demand for them to have backups of everyone and not just mutants, while governments around will likely try to find their own ways to emulate it to have super busted mutants like Storm with other people's minds in them.

I think Orchis already knew about them but I kind of wonder how villains would react to the idea that you can't "kill" the X-Men anymore.

[JB]

Not to be anti-Krakoa but I'm kind of getting "the bigger you are, the harder you..." as things escalate for Mutants in the public eye. Especially when they start flaunting the fact that they've conquered death.

Hopefully the attack on Krakoa by the Eternals will distract everyone and make them actually sympathetic to the mutants.

[Diammandis]

https://twitter.com/marvel/status/15...lYKDQ6uflKlu7w

Marvel released the trailer to AXE and um it definitely looks like the beans are spilled on the mutants immorality lol

[JB]

https://twitter.com/marvel/status/15...lYKDQ6uflKlu7w

Marvel released the trailer to AXE and um it definitely looks like the beans are spilled on the mutants immorality lol

Holy smokes, they sure are spilled all over the place.



This is why we can't have nice things.

[Lukmendes]

I think Orchis already knew about them but I kind of wonder how villains would react to the idea that you can't "kill" the X-Men anymore.

Orchis must at least have an idea about it, since in Inferno#1 vol 2, Nimrod killed the same X-Force members at least 5 times, which they talked about.

Hopefully the attack on Krakoa by the Eternals will distract everyone and make them actually sympathetic to the mutants.

And then mutants will sneeze the wrong way and everybody on the planet will want to kill them again.

https://twitter.com/marvel/status/15...lYKDQ6uflKlu7w

Marvel released the trailer to AXE and um it definitely looks like the beans are spilled on the mutants immorality lol

I mean, mutant immorality being known isn't new .

[Rift]

Pack it up, the flatscans are ruining the fun again. ��

[Frontier]

Well, what would they have expected...

[PolarIceFire]

... 4. Is gambit dead? We can see that rogue is standing with destiny but where is remy ��

He's neXt to Rogue, but on the other side, in front of Sunfire. The *distance* between them suggests Destiny's somewhat succeeding, though, in driving a wedge between 'em. Also, behind Havok in the right corner, at the bottom of Synch's aura...

is that MONET?!

[PolarIceFire]

I've been wondering who the 2 in the center, between Laura/Gambit & Iceman/She-Hulk, could be? And then just now I'm like...



is that Quicksilver and... CRYSTAL... of THE INHUMANs?!

[Kurolegacy]

Holy smokes, they sure are spilled all over the place.



This is why we can't have nice things.

I mean, it’s kinda a realistic reaction when you learn that the only difference between mortality and immortality comes down to nothing more than whether or not you have a single gene especially when there’s just flat out unfair things in the world like childhood cancer or those who die to terrible tragedies like school shootings or random victims. Sadly I don’t think they’ll present the nuisance and it’ll probably just be presented as bigoted people angry.

[PolarIceFire]

GASP!
Is that Emperor Hulkling and Prince Consort / Court Wizard Wiccan??!

Wanda & Lorna... Billy & Teddy?!...

Link

AND, could it be... ... CRYSTAL and PIETRO?!!

All that's missin'...

is Luna, Tommy [+David], and their grandDADDY!!!

[gonnagiveittoya]

I always figured the protocols would be shelved or changed once they got revealed to the world. Guess we'll see

[Grunty]

I mean, it’s kinda a realistic reaction when you learn that the only difference between mortality and immortality comes down to nothing more than whether or not you have a single gene especially when there’s just flat out unfair things in the world like childhood cancer or those who die to terrible tragedies like school shootings or random victims. Sadly I don’t think they’ll present the nuisance and it’ll probably just be presented as bigoted people angry.

Considering the state of the X-men comics over the past years and what the current office has in part produced, nuance has certainly become a rare commodity so i don't expect anything reasonable or layered either.

Also the interesting thing about saying that the difference between mortality and immortality is based on the X-gene is that it doesn't actualy refer to the ability to "conquer death" via it. Instead having said gene and therefor being accepted as part of a special group of people, gives someone the social/national benefit of not staying dead. It's basicly fantastic super natural form of national health care.

Though at the moment it can also border into the territory of being a responcibility, as it seems almost expected by the Krakoan society for mutants to be alive, as in looking badly at people who might prefer to only have one shot at life and we have yet to see anyone who actualy demanded to be expected from the protocol. Something which should by our human nature be a logical occurence based on personal, ethical or religious beliefs.

But to get back on the subject of said benefit.
Nothing about the process comes from the X-gene of the person who gets revived and nothing about the process itself is unique to mutant powers.
The main two parts of it are Cerebro, which is an entirely technological object (not even made with Krakoa's techno-organic plant matter but Shi'ar materials) and a body cloning factory which is maintained by the power of five very specific mutants, but doesn't produce anything which hasn't allready been done on the same scale and quality by machinery in the Marvel Universe or Multiverse.

The fact that the cloning process actualy requires a reality warper(!) to work, actualy raises the question of how much better the process is compared to many advanced pieces of technology.

Also even though Cerebro, which is the most important part of the whole process (without it, they would only have a bunch of empy clone bodies), requires a telepath to transfer memories into said clone bodies and downloads said memories from the living version, doesn't mean that only mutants can use it. There are non-mutant telepaths in the Marvel Universe which would likely be able to use it in the same capacity, since Cerebro is, as mentioned above, just a piece of technology and not something unique "mutant".

To say that "mutants conquered death" is to be understood in the same way that "humans can fly" via airplanes.

Which also means that there is no true barrier between normal humans and mutants regarding what ever it works for one but not the other.

Infact the true reason this kind of "service" hasn't become established and widespread among humanity in the Marvel Universe allready, despite all the crazy technology spread around the globe thanks to various super heros and villains (there was a Cable and Deadpool story where Wade faced off against an army of two minor villains he once killed who were produced in mass in someones secret lab), is because editorial doesn't want the Marvel universe to fundamentaly divert too much from the real world.

Therefor the reason mutants haven't done this kind of trick on large scale before, despite having all the abilities and technology to do so since the 80's, is because editorial would have never allowed it before. Not because it was fundamentaly impossible or even especialy difficult.

So this entire story actualy opens a massive can of worms regarding the nature of Earth and humanities global society in the Marvel Universe.
If this become a public known technology for this story, how are they gonna put the Djinn back into the bottle so it won't become the main goal of basicly any major scientific institute or bigger corperation in the Marvel Universe to replicate and mass market, when basicly the entire world learns it's possible?

[Huntsman Spider]

Considering the state of the X-men comics over the past years and what the current office has in part produced, nuance has certainly become a rare commodity so i don't expect anything reasonable or layered either.

Also the interesting thing about saying that the difference between mortality and immortality is based on the X-gene is that it doesn't actualy refer to the ability to "conquer death" via it. Instead having said gene and therefor being accepted as part of a special group of people, gives someone the social/national benefit of not staying dead. It's basicly fantastic super natural form of national health care.

Though at the moment it can also border into the territory of being a responcibility, as it seems almost expected by the Krakoan society for mutants to be alive, as in looking badly at people who might prefer to only have one shot at life and we have yet to see anyone who actualy demanded to be expected from the protocol. Something which should by our human nature be a logical occurence based on personal, ethical or religious beliefs.

But to get back on the subject of said benefit.
Nothing about the process comes from the X-gene of the person who gets revived and nothing about the process itself is unique to mutant powers.
The main two parts of it are Cerebro, which is an entirely technological object (not even made with Krakoa's techno-organic plant matter but Shi'ar materials) and a body cloning factory which is maintained by the power of five very specific mutants, but doesn't produce anything which hasn't allready been done on the same scale and quality by machinery in the Marvel Universe or Multiverse.

The fact that the cloning process actualy requires a reality warper(!) to work, actualy raises the question of how much better the process is compared to many advanced pieces of technology.

Also even though Cerebro, which is the most important part of the whole process (without it, they would only have a bunch of empy clone bodies), requires a telepath to transfer memories into said clone bodies and downloads said memories from the living version, doesn't mean that only mutants can use it. There are non-mutant telepaths in the Marvel Universe which would likely be able to use it in the same capacity, since Cerebro is, as mentioned above, just a piece of technology and not something unique "mutant".

To say that "mutants conquered death" is to be understood in the same way that "humans can fly" via airplanes.

Which also means that there is no true barrier between normal humans and mutants regarding what ever it works for one but not the other.

Infact the true reason this kind of "service" hasn't become established and widespread among humanity in the Marvel Universe allready, despite all the crazy technology spread around the globe thanks to various super heros and villains (there was a Cable and Deadpool story where Wade faced off against an army of two minor villains he once killed who were produced in mass in someones secret lab), is because editorial doesn't want the Marvel universe to fundamentaly divert too much from the real world.

Therefor the reason mutants haven't done this kind of trick on large scale before, despite having all the abilities and technology to do so since the 80's, is because editorial would have never allowed it before. Not because it was fundamentaly impossible or even especialy difficult.

So this entire story actualy opens a massive can of worms regarding the nature of Earth and humanities global society in the Marvel Universe.
If this become a public known technology for this story, how are they gonna put the Djinn back into the bottle so it won't become the main goal of basicly any major scientific institute or bigger corperation in the Marvel Universe to replicate and mass market, when basicly the entire world learns it's possible?

In that vein, they could just dig up the Jackal, since his cloning technology was refined into a precursor of the Krakoan Resurrection Protocols, albeit at the cost of having to take special pills once every 24 hours lest the "reanimated" degenerate into zombielike Carrions, and his appearance in Ms. Marvel Team-Up with Spider-Man had him pursuing technology that could be used to upload and store someone's memories in a digital cloud for human minds, which could come in handy. It's one thing to perfectly replicate or "reanimate" someone's body, but it wouldn't be complete without that person's memories and personality, which could be downloaded into the "reanimated" body from that digital cloud. Either that, or get Tony Stark to share the "biological reboot" technology he used to bring himself and Rhodey back from the dead in Invincible Iron Man #600. That's just off the top of my head, and considering Orchis does have a Sinister doppelganger working for/with them under the guise of Doctor Stasis . . . why don't they offer their own resurrective technology to the general human populace?

[Grunty]

In that vein, they could just dig up the Jackal, since his cloning technology was refined into a precursor of the Krakoan Resurrection Protocols, albeit at the cost of having to take special pills once every 24 hours lest the "reanimated" degenerate into zombielike Carrions, and his appearance in Ms. Marvel Team-Up with Spider-Man had him pursuing technology that could be used to upload and store someone's memories in a digital cloud for human minds, which could come in handy. It's one thing to perfectly replicate or "reanimate" someone's body, but it wouldn't be complete without that person's memories and personality, which could be downloaded into the "reanimated" body from that digital cloud. Either that, or get Tony Stark to share the "biological reboot" technology he used to bring himself and Rhodey back from the dead in Invincible Iron Man #600. That's just off the top of my head, and considering Orchis does have a Sinister doppelganger working for/with them under the guise of Doctor Stasis . . . why don't they offer their own resurrective technology to the general human populace?

Indeed. The basis for this kind of revival via cloning and mind storage/downloading have in some shape or form been present all over Marvel continuity and in the hands of numerous individuals on Earth. To say nothing of alien technology and otherworldly powers.

Which is also the reason i wasn't particular impressed when Hickman introduced the whole system in HOX/POX. Because it's nothing new, regardless of how much he tried to cover it in "mutant pride and accomplishment" dialoge and had Larraz beautifully illustrate the process in action. Instead i felt the editors allowed him to open a large can of worms, by allowing it to happen and stay around with the X-men and now it seems to actively gnaw on one of the rules of these super hero comics.
Mainly that super technology should never become commonplace or fundamentaly alter the presentation of this version of humanity as collective too far away from the one we as readers seen in our real world environment. Hence never entering public perception or be presented as something the population takes for granted without asking why they can't have it.

Otherwise humanity of the Marvel Universe should have started to look more like various science fiction works of dystopian or utopian character ages ago. And i mean Atlas Comics, Tales of Astonish or Journey into Mystery days.
Not just now because Hickman was allowed to give mutants exclusively the free pass to make common and widespread use of what they have access to so publicly.

To me all of this feels like the writers try to be clever but just foolishly highlight an issue the reader is supposed to ignore with all the fun action and larger than life characters in unique unrealistic outfits doing the seemingly impossible for heroic or villanous reasons.