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    Post Which Marvel Heroes are consider A-Listers?

    I am sure Iron Man, Captain America and Thor along with Spider-Man are considered as A-Listers even before MCU started.

    After the MCU's popularity grows, Black Panther and Captain Marvel have been promoted to the position.

    For X-Men, Wolverine and Storm are the most popular uses in any franchise.

    Anyone else has used to be A-listers?

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    I don't like for the MCU to take precendence over the comics. IMO you can't leave out the Fantastic Four as A-Listers no matter how lousy Slott's Fantastic Four has been. IMO Hickman put them back at the top but no one's really been as good since. But as we've seen in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Reed's appearance along with the mention of incursions,it looks pretty obvious they're going to go with Hickman's version in the movies. On top of that, the whole Silver Age of Marvel Universe jump started with them after the dark ages after the infamous book Seduction of the Innocent. Namor, who goes back to the 1930's was reintroduced to comics in Fantastic Four #4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAWtoyoto 432 View Post
    I am sure Iron Man, Captain America and Thor along with Spider-Man are considered as A-Listers even before MCU started.

    After the MCU's popularity grows, Black Panther and Captain Marvel have been promoted to the position.

    For X-Men, Wolverine and Storm are the most popular uses in any franchise.

    Anyone else has used to be A-listers?
    I'm not sure Stark could be considered A-lister before MCU, he wasn't a character who random people would know about, have my doubts about Cap and Thor before MCU too.

    Hulk would be considered an A-lister.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
    I don't like for the MCU to take precendence over the comics. IMO you can't leave out the Fantastic Four as A-Listers no matter how lousy Slott's Fantastic Four has been. IMO Hickman put them back at the top but no one's really been as good since.
    A-lister doesn't mean popularity in comics, it means popularity everywhere, basically everyone knows who Wolverine is, but can the same be said about F4?

    But as we've seen in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Reed's appearance along with the mention of incursions,it looks pretty obvious they're going to go with Hickman's version in the movies.
    Wouldn't overtrust that, MCU takes cues from comics but may do their own thing, and the way Incursions work is an indication of that change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukmendes View Post
    I'm not sure Stark could be considered A-lister before MCU, he wasn't a character who random people would know about, have my doubts about Cap and Thor before MCU too.

    Hulk would be considered an A-lister.



    A-lister doesn't mean popularity in comics, it means popularity everywhere, basically everyone knows who Wolverine is, but can the same be said about F4?



    Wouldn't overtrust that, MCU takes cues from comics but may do their own thing, and the way Incursions work is an indication of that change.
    Maybe that means A-Lister to you but that doesn't go for everyone. There were a lot of people in the theater when I saw Doctor Strange and there sure was a buzz of recognition when Reed appeared on the screen. More so than with the others in that version of the Illuminati. You may not think so but a lot of "old timers" go to the movies too!

    And by your standard I don't think the Hulk would be an A-Lister these days. He had a some early success with the TV show with Bill Bixby and the films that came out before the Marvel/Fox deal but he's not had any solo movies since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukmendes View Post
    A-lister doesn't mean popularity in comics, it means popularity everywhere, basically everyone knows who Wolverine is, but can the same be said about F4?
    Given that the OP said 'before the MCU' it clearly means popularity in the comics.

    And yes, before the 2000s, I venture more people knew about the FF than Wolverine. They certainly have had more animated shows than Wolverine and as many movies, IIRC.
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    Don't forget Iron Man had that 90s cartoon. He wasn't completely unknown to non-comics fans before the 2008 movie came out. However, he definitely isn't on Spider-Man's level, so I'd say he was B-list. He's A-list now though.

    As for FF and Wolverine, the FF had cartoons in 1967, 1978 (the infamous one with Herbie instead of Human Torch), 1994, and 2006. Wolverine's only solo cartoon is a short anime run, but there was also an X-Men anime and three Western cartoons, in 1992, 2000, and 2009, plus a pilot in 1989. In terms of movies, the FF have had four, though the first one was effectively an ashcan for rights retaining purposes. Wolverine has had three solo films (X-Men Origins, The Wolverine, and Logan), but if you take into account the team's films, he's been another SIX X-Men movies - even when he didn't have a main role, he still cameoed - Dark Phoenix is the only one he's not in at all. And of course all of Wolverine's appearances are the same actor, whereas the FF have each had three actors, and in Reed's case four due to his appearance in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. The FF were more successful early on but the X-Men and Wolverine definitely surpassed them in later decades.
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    Pre-MCU
    - Spider-Man
    - Wolverine
    - The Fantastic Four
    - Hulk
    - "the X-Men"

    Post-MCU
    - The Scarlet Witch
    - Thanos
    - Black Panther
    - Captain America
    - Thor
    - Groot
    - Rocket Racoon
    - Doctor Strange
    - Daredevil
    - Punisher
    - Deadpool
    - "The Avengers"

    I don't know how many people know the characters of the X-Men. I would say Storm, Professor X, and Magneto were well known if you actually watched the movies, if not, you wouldn't know their names, but some people might recognize them. Everyone else didn't leave an impression. The Guardians of the Galaxy have a lot of merchandise that are on par with a lot of other teams. The Netflix characters have become A-listers, but I wouldn't say all of them, and that's even a stretch. Everything else is noise for mainstream audiences.

    Thanos and Doctor Strange are referenced a lot in things because of their concept. The actors that are in other movies made the characters mainstream more than the movies themselves. People give the X-Men too much credit nowadays.

    If were talking about comic book readers and people who watch every MCU movie, they ought to know everyone and they would use the A-lister title because they tie them with their comic book presence. Captain Marvel had key roles, but they misogynists hate the actress, so they'll say she's not an A-lister despite her being the Daisy Duck at amusement parks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reviresco View Post
    Given that the OP said 'before the MCU' it clearly means popularity in the comics.

    And yes, before the 2000s, I venture more people knew about the FF than Wolverine. They certainly have had more animated shows than Wolverine and as many movies, IIRC.
    If that's true, then why Fox's Fantastic Four movies have gained a low box-office performance. Despite being the same popular as Spider-man but yet unsuccessful to earn enough higher to match the projections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAWtoyoto 432 View Post
    If that's true, then why Fox's Fantastic Four movies have gained a low box-office performance. Despite being the same popular as Spider-man but yet unsuccessful to earn enough higher to match the projections.
    What does that have to do with anything???

    If you want to hold that against them make sure you do it to SUPERGIRL & GREEN LANTERN. Going by your logic-we should NEVER see a Justice League movie ever again.

    2 of the 3 films made a profit. The last one-every bigot on the planet was more concerned about ENDING Michael B Jordan's career than the actual film.

    Also not everyone wants to see a movie. Some are content with the books and tv shows. Some are not interested in the plot or who is casted.

    They still boast 3 (4) movies and 4 tv shows. Call me when a DC franchise not linked to the Bat or Superman can do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAWtoyoto 432 View Post
    If that's true, then why Fox's Fantastic Four movies have gained a low box-office performance. Despite being the same popular as Spider-man but yet unsuccessful to earn enough higher to match the projections.
    The 2005 FF film did good at the box office, over $300 million. So yes, people knew who they were. Not to mention they've had several adaptation over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAWtoyoto 432 View Post
    I am sure Iron Man, Captain America and Thor along with Spider-Man are considered as A-Listers even before MCU started.

    After the MCU's popularity grows, Black Panther and Captain Marvel have been promoted to the position.

    For X-Men, Wolverine and Storm are the most popular uses in any franchise.

    Anyone else has used to be A-listers?

    No. Iron Man, Cap and Thor were NOT A-Listers before the MCU. Thor didn't even have a book for like three years, IIRC, before the MCU started. I don't think Captain Marvel is an A-Lister even now, even though Marvel keeps on pushing her, with repeated books.


    Marvel's A-Listers before the MCU were:

    Spider-Man, Wolverine, X-Men, and the Fantastic Four. Hulk also, but he probably owes some of that to the 70s TV series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reviresco View Post
    No. Iron Man, Cap and Thor were NOT A-Listers before the MCU. Thor didn't even have a book for like three years, IIRC, before the MCU started. I don't think Captain Marvel is an A-Lister even now, even though Marvel keeps on pushing her, with repeated books.


    Marvel's A-Listers before the MCU were:

    Spider-Man, Wolverine, X-Men, and the Fantastic Four. Hulk also, but he probably owes some of that to the 70s TV series.
    Yeah, it was basically anyone they sold the rights off to other studios for money. Because they were the ones that would sell and they could try to avoid bankruptcy.

    But I think A-List evolves and changes over time. I think for this current generation that know the movies more, those characters will indeed be A-List to them. But then things will change as newer generations come up. Just like how the X-Men use to struggle pre-Claremont and 90s.
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    I dunno what A-list means, so I'm just listing who I think would still be popular without the MCU and who will still be popular after the MCU dies down/end...

    Spider-Man
    Wolverine
    X-Men(the brand, not necessarily all X-characters).
    Captain America(this country won't let a character named "Captain America" never be forgotten.
    Hulk
    Deadpool(was an internet meme before it became a thing).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAWtoyoto 432 View Post
    I am sure Iron Man, Captain America and Thor along with Spider-Man are considered as A-Listers even before MCU started.

    After the MCU's popularity grows, Black Panther and Captain Marvel have been promoted to the position.

    For X-Men, Wolverine and Storm are the most popular uses in any franchise.

    Anyone else has used to be A-listers?
    Quote Originally Posted by Reviresco View Post

    You guys have an odd definition of what constitutes A-List, which by definition should be elite, and not _every_ character in a movie, so I'll leave you to talk about MCU characters.
    If we aren't discussing the movies then I'm guessing we're talking about comicbooks? Then if that is the case I wouldn't consider Cap, Thor, Iron Man, BP and CM as A-Listers.

    A-Listers would be Spider-Man and X-Men
    B-Listers would be Fantastic Fours, Avengers, Wolverine
    C-Listers would be Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Hulk, Daredevil, Deadpool
    D-Listers would be the rest (bubbling under potential to hit it big in the mcu lol!)
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    That's certainly valid. Comic books are never going to match the audience of the movies and Iron Man has been the launching pad for the MCU going back to RDJ's first movie. Thor isn't as big with the box office but it does well also. I love the current run of Iron Man by Christopher Cantwell but it will never reach the same size audience. I can't speak to Thor since I've not been picking that one up.

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