Is Forge an omega level mutant now?

[sunofdarkchild]

Making powerful villains is the easiest thing to do, and that's why it's so frustrating that even Hickman refused to put in the work to make Orchis a believable threat. There could be so many sciency ways Orchis could counter the most powerful mutants and even the reality warpers, and instead they just make the mutants look like idiots for sending Wolverine and his red shirts to get slaughtered over and over again. Gillen showed how to do it during Fear Itself by using so many different mutants in different combinations which all failed against the Juggernaut. That effectively established the threat without making the X-Men look like idiots or totally incompetent. But as long as Krakoa refuses to remember that it's an actual nation with vast resources and more people who can fight than just Wolverine the entire Orchis storyline will remain a joke.

[MkDiz]

Proteus isn’t killing himself by eating through bodies. Magneto overexerting himself is not a sign that his powers are killing him. It is a sign that his body reached its limits from exertion.

I personally also think Cable should have qualified for the Omega status, too, but what is happening to Cable is not the same thing that happened to those Omega’s you mentioned. Cable’s powers are actively killing him without his say in the matter because his body can’t handle his own powers.

I don’t think there are many people who like the infinite potential thing either, especially since it doesn’t really factor into stories beyond giving characters a deus ex machina power-up.

Well, that doesnt really go against the point I was trying to make, people like to use the "his powers burns out his body so he's not omega" argument but other current omega have shown that their physical bodies are also limited. If Magneto's power keeps increasing indefinitely like Cable's then he'll probably die too just basing off the fact that he died due to over usage of his power. The problem isnt really Cable's power, he has shown high control over his powers, the problem is that his power level which is constantly increasing. Thats basically what happened to magneto, his power was boosted and his body was unable to handle the power so he got an aneurysm

Plus, we know that Cable's body burning out is something that can solved and is not something that he's stuck with forever. Rachel said that he'll master his powers and become the most powerful being in the universe once his body and mind becomes one. We we're also shown that its possible for Cable to live with his powers without burning out as evidenced by Brother Nathan. Brother Nathan is not just an alternate reality Cable, he's literally a part of Cable (the Savior) that was separated from him due to M Day which meant that Cable, given enough time, will be able to overcome his weakness.

[Habis]

Yeah, we're just destined to be eternally confused and shaking our heads at why Orchis is such an alleged epic threat to mutantkind when there's a good twenty-five omega mutants that should be able to take out its Mother Mold factory on their own, and even failing that, they could have come up with SO many better assault teams than just sending X-Force's squad of....three people, to try and do it over and over. This will never not be bad writing to me. Sigh. You just can't have mutants terraforming an entire planet in a night in one issue and then pretend there's absolutely nothing those same mutants could do about a giant factory orbiting a sun, when like, a good six of those mutants should be able to dunk that factory straight into the sun. Magneto can't get the job done? Send Storm. Send Vulcan. Use Exodus' omega level Tinkerbell power and have all of Krakoa clap their hands and say WE BELIEVE IN YOU, BESTIE until he's beefed up enough to punt that factory into the sun like its a soccer ball. The second Bobby used his powers to freeze reality around that Evil Eldritch Snowflake in his Infinity Comic, the Quiet Council should have showed up on his doorstep to be like hey Bobster, we have a mission for you, go do that to the Sentinel Factory in space plz. Have Monarch and Proteus compete to see who can burp the damn thing out of existence faster. There are SO many other things they could've tried instead of just being like 'welp, we sent Logan, Quentin and Domino to try and blow it up for the twentieth time with no luck, I guess that's it, there's just absolutely nothing to be done about this place, guess we just have to live with it.'

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I'm sorry but the Sentinel Factory bugs me SO MUCH, its just SUCH a bad plot point, why is it still a thing. Dear Marvel make better villains, plz. There's 'suspension of disbelief' and then there's 'I am in disbelief that you think I can suspend my disbelief THIS much.'

(Seriously, this particular plot point is such a clear plot hole, its practically a singularity unto itself).

They should focus on the Sentinel factories on Mercury and Venus... two whole planets worth of Sentinels would feel more threatening and difficult to destroy than a Space Station with a few dozen human soldiers, a Nimrod and an Omega Sentinel...

[BobbysWorld]

They should focus on the Sentinel factories on Mercury and Venus... two whole planets worth of Sentinels would feel more threatening and difficult to destroy than a Space Station with a few dozen human soldiers, a Nimrod and an Omega Sentinel...

Tbh I completely forgot about the mentions of Sentinel factories on Mercury and Venus - I don't think they've been mentioned other than that one initial reference and they always just talk about the Mother Mold factory in orbit. But yeah, that would absolutely make so much more sense to focus on as a threat. Plus its not like you can just toss Mercury and Venus into the sun to get rid of those factories, the impact on the other planets' orbits would be catastrophic, so it very plausibly limits mutant options to direct assaults on the various factories by creating very real consequences to certain power usages.

[BroHomo]

Errr I think he was just stating Forge is just a badass inventor

[emfrst]

Errr I think he was just stating Forge is just a badass inventor

well, technopath does not mean inventor and Forge has not been known to be technopath

[Habis]

Tbh I completely forgot about the mentions of Sentinel factories on Mercury and Venus - I don't think they've been mentioned other than that one initial reference and they always just talk about the Mother Mold factory in orbit. But yeah, that would absolutely make so much more sense to focus on as a threat. Plus its not like you can just toss Mercury and Venus into the sun to get rid of those factories, the impact on the other planets' orbits would be catastrophic, so it very plausibly limits mutant options to direct assaults on the various factories by creating very real consequences to certain power usages.

They should show Mercury and Venus churning tens of thousands of Sentinels and sending them to guard Sol Forge. That would create a sense of impeding danger AND it would help explain why it is so difficult to destroy the space station. They could show a cloud of debris floating around Sol Forge, the remains of battles between Omega mutants and armies of Sentinels...

Of course, that would ruin of sense of mutant total success and triumph that so many fans enjoy, and bring back the feeling of doom the mutants had hanging over their heads for so long, so I understand why the writers haven't taken that route... but they could at least make another excuse for Sol Forge to be unassailable... I dunno, maybe they could make the space station mobile and equipped with amazing stealth tech able to fool even Lactuca the Knower, and have it move around the Solar System in order to avoid mutant attacks?

[Del torro]

He did use his power to enter the white hot room to help eco to trap the advesary.

It's hilarious that forge can casually enter the white hot room, but in sword they need a large number of mutants to perform this incredibly complicated circuit to barely get in there

[Habis]

He did use his power to enter the white hot room to help eco to trap the advesary.

Dr. Doom knew about the WHR too... I wonder if all high ranking mystics can access the WHR... it could be that many ancient magic artefifacts in the MU are made of Mysterium...

[Reigna]

It's hilarious that forge can casually enter the white hot room, but in sword they need a large number of mutants to perform this incredibly complicated circuit to barely get in there

I think it's because of the work they needed to do there.... the mysterium is also anti magic so he sending them there would have lead to them and himself being trapped there. Mutant tech aka the six was the best way to do that.

[Reigna]

Dr. Doom knew about the WHR too... I wonder if all high ranking mystics can access the WHR... it could be that many ancient magic artefifacts in the MU are made of Mysterium...

That's the thing, the white hot room is a very strange place now its known as the pheonix's crib but when Claremont wrote it in the past it was this transcendental dimension existing outside time and space and had multiple indigenous residents one being death and its tower. Death described the role of the pheonix and described it as a being of chaos and passion whilst death was a being of order and entropy. The crown aka the kether is at the heart of the white hot room and is presumably the highest most unfiltered state of each of the residents living there, hence why when jean accesses the totality of the pheonix across the multiverse she becomes the White Phoenix of the crown. It's a very interesting mythos and takes a lot of inspiration from from the tree of life in jewish mysticism. But the white hot room is likely not the above place or even the core of creation as that seems to be the house of ideas itself, the very birthplace of marvel and where the fulcrum lives. Whether this house is in the white hot room or even above it is still unclear to me. Mystics and very powerful beings can enter the white hot room but only its native residents can actually navigate it, hence why jean was able to take control of the place as all pheonix hosts have somewhat of a direct connection to that space. Using it to bring herself back to life as the white hot room is where all beings go when they die as that's where the tower of death is.

Very fascinating lore.

[Micabe]

It's hilarious that forge can casually enter the white hot room, but in sword they need a large number of mutants to perform this incredibly complicated circuit to barely get in there

Dr. Doom knew about the WHR too... I wonder if all high ranking mystics can access the WHR... it could be that many ancient magic artefifacts in the MU are made of Mysterium...

I find it quite ironic that one needs to be a mutant or escorted by a mutant to even step foot on Krakoa -- but, anybody and their momma can locate, visit, and enter the M'kraan Crystal when it is supposed to be located on a planet of unknown origins and older than known history -- so, where are Jahf and Modt aren't they there (and unknown other beings) to keep beings off the planet? The worst was when someone decided that the M'kraan Crystal was the default home of the Phoenix Force who escorted Galactus to this iteration of reality.

[jwatson]

It is quite ironic that one needs to be a mutant to even step foot on Krakoa -- but, anybody and their momma can enter the M'kraan Crystal when it is supposed to be located on a planet of unknown origins and older than known history -- so, where are Jahf and Modt aren't they there to keep beings off the planet?

Technically you don't have to be a mutant to step foot on krakoa, just to get through the gates. Both Tony and Dr. Strange have landed on the island of their own accord before. Oh also those humans with mutant skin stepped foot on it, the skin was so the sensors didn't detect them.

[Micabe]

Technically you don't have to be a mutant to step foot on krakoa, just to get through the gates. Both Tony and Dr. Strange have landed on the island of their own accord before. Oh also those humans with mutant skin stepped foot on it, the skin was so the sensors didn't detect them.

Ah, yes... Thanks for reminding me that anyone can just fly in by plane or self-propulsion -- I wonder if the Quite Counsel would shoot down any vehicle or person flying in their airspace or tricks the gates.

[jwatson]

Ah, yes... Thanks for reminding me that anyone can just fly in by plane or self-propulsion -- I wonder if the Quite Counsel would shoot down any vehicle or person flying in their airspace or tricks the gates.

Not in X-force. lmao