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    Quote Originally Posted by Saithor View Post
    And then he’ll likely be back anyway. This is why I say ultimately all the Resurrection Protocols did is add another layer to the usual dramatics. I’ll rescind this critiscism if they do actually try to keep him dead though
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    The implication in the last Red is that the protocols are literally not necessary to return anymore so that fake tension was never real to start with
    Yeah totally, the Ressy Protos are only cool to get different versions of a character; for example, if Mags dies he comes back with the memories of his time in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants from way back in the day or the Jim Lee version where he's a maniac.

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    I was just coming in here to say that I really don’t want to see Magneto die already.
    Come to think of it when was the last time that Mags died?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbysWorld View Post
    6) Seat of Above Us - Lactuca's IMO one of THE most powerful and versatile of the Great Ring's omegas, and I hope to see her making out like a boss in this fight. Not only is she the omega level version of Manifold's powerset, with him able to do things like throw around space stations via teleportation portals, sidestep through reality by making windows and holes in the universe for him to peek through without anyone outside his spy-hole being able to interact with him, and transport miniature suns in pockets of folded space/time that protect everyone from them until he unleashes them as a weapon......like, if Manifold can do all that, and Lactuca's the UPGRADED version of his ability....I'm just saying, I need to see Lactuca UNLEASHED. But like, on top of that, she additionally can use her ability to know where EVERYTHING is, this being the source of her title The Knower, and with it explicitly cited that she's able to even chart where things are conceptually, or use this power to know what's in someone's heart and other abstract ideas. If Uranos has a weakness, Lactuca should know how to find it, and quite frankly, I'm not sure why she can't just teleport him off-world and ask the universe to dump him in a black hole somewhere, where the singularity effect would prevent any failsafe of his from ever activating anyway.
    I might have missed it. Where was it said what Lactuca is she/her? Also I thought Lactuca's power is simply knowing position of everything, not to teleport things. That's why Exodus was needed to move Arrako to Mars.

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    Yeah totally, the Ressy Protos are only cool to get different versions of a character; for example, if Mags dies he comes back with the memories of his time in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants from way back in the day or the Jim Lee version where he's a maniac.



    Come to think of it when was the last time that Mags died?
    Inferno last year. He and Xavier were killed by Nimrod and Omega Sentinel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harasar View Post
    I might have missed it. Where was it said what Lactuca is she/her? Also I thought Lactuca's power is simply knowing position of everything, not to teleport things. What is why Exodus was needed to move Arrako to Mars.

    Inferno last year. He and Xavier were killed by Nimrod and Omega Sentinel.
    The data page in X-Men Red clarified she/her pronouns for Lactuca, and also called her the Omega of Universal Shaping. There was a distinct connection drawn between her and Manifold's powers, as a continuation of Ewing's plot thread through S.W.O.R.D. that there might be someone out there with the same power as Manifold to 'talk to the universe' but on a bigger scale....as Ewing describes her in XMR as "Lactuca does not talk to the universe. Lactuca SINGS." (Bolded emphasis is from the comics, not me).

    And yes, Lactuca should have been able to teleport Arakko on her own, but I think its the same situation as with Lodus Logos (who should have been able to create the metal for the new planetary core, rather than needing Magneto to bring it from the asteroid belt.) I think Lodus Logos' powers just hadn't been created or defined yet at the time of Planet-Size X-Men, and Lactuca's powers were originally created by Duggan to JUST be knowledge of where everything is, hence why he used Exodus to teleport Arakko....but then since Ewing was the one to pick up the threads with the Great Ring and actually make use of those characters, he got to define/tweak them to his own preferences, and he expanded Lactuca's powerset in order to accommodate the ideas he started playing around with via Manifold.

    Course, that's just my no-prize explanation for the seeming changes in Lactuca from Planet-Size to X-Men Red. There might be a different explanation, this is just my assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbysWorld View Post
    The data page in X-Men Red clarified she/her pronouns for Lactuca, and also called her the Omega of Universal Shaping. There was a distinct connection drawn between her and Manifold's powers, as a continuation of Ewing's plot thread through S.W.O.R.D. that there might be someone out there with the same power as Manifold to 'talk to the universe' but on a bigger scale....as Ewing describes her in XMR as "Lactuca does not talk to the universe. Lactuca SINGS." (Bolded emphasis is from the comics, not me).

    And yes, Lactuca should have been able to teleport Arakko on her own, but I think its the same situation as with Lodus Logos (who should have been able to create the metal for the new planetary core, rather than needing Magneto to bring it from the asteroid belt.) I think Lodus Logos' powers just hadn't been created or defined yet at the time of Planet-Size X-Men, and Lactuca's powers were originally created by Duggan to JUST be knowledge of where everything is, hence why he used Exodus to teleport Arakko....but then since Ewing was the one to pick up the threads with the Great Ring and actually make use of those characters, he got to define/tweak them to his own preferences, and he expanded Lactuca's powerset in order to accommodate the ideas he started playing around with via Manifold.

    Course, that's just my no-prize explanation for the seeming changes in Lactuca from Planet-Size to X-Men Red. There might be a different explanation, this is just my assumption.
    Thanks! I indeed missed it.

    Honestly, I kind of disappointed. Original version of Lactuca's power of having knowledge about position of everything in universe was already interesting and OP. And I always hoped what Manifold would be revealed to be an Omega level mutant himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harasar View Post
    Thanks! I indeed missed it.

    Honestly, I kind of disappointed. Original version of Lactuca's power of having knowledge about position of everything in universe was already interesting and OP. And I always hoped what Manifold would be revealed to be an Omega level mutant himself.
    I mean, I'm curious enough about Lactuca and like her design enough that I'm not SAD about her getting the expanded power-set, but tbh I'm actually with you there. Throughout SWORD I was rooting for that plotline to be building up to the reveal that Eden was in fact an omega himself, and the only reason he wasn't considered one was because Xavier or the other arbiters of what constitutes an omega power failed to take into account Eden's personal policy of 'asking' the universe to do favors for him instead of just forcing things to happen. His self-perception of his powers and how he used them could have paved the way for a very interesting story about what actually defines the very concept of power - with Eden being an example of how just because you HAVE the power to do something, or force something, doesn't mean you believe in using it that way and him preferring to dabble in 'lesser feats' that allow him to work WITHIN the existing framework of how the universe is willing to operate, rather than him forcing the universe to bend to his will, which is what led others to mistakenly classify him as less than an omega.

    *Shrugs* That could have been a really interesting story and its what I was hoping for. Of course, Lactuca herself could have a similar mindset or approach to using her powers, and that could be the reason for her not to perform certain feats that she COULD do, but chooses not to because of the potential damage it could do to the universe in the process. Guess we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harasar View Post
    Thanks! I indeed missed it.

    Honestly, I kind of disappointed. Original version of Lactuca's power of having knowledge about position of everything in universe was already interesting and OP. And I always hoped what Manifold would be revealed to be an Omega level mutant himself.
    Manifold cant be omega due to one big limit his powers only work in his native reality whereas lactuca possibly is multiversal in scope (from Duggan's script). That alone removes him from the potential list of candidates since it puts a hard limit on what he can and cannot do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reigna View Post
    Manifold cant be omega due to one big limit his powers only work in his native reality whereas lactuca possibly is multiversal in scope (from Duggan's script). That alone removes him from the potential list of candidates since it puts a hard limit on what he can and cannot do.

    I am not so sure... every Omega is a specialist whose powers are unlimited only within their specialty... like, Exodus is an Omega Telekinetic, but he isn't an Omega Telepath, and Magneto's powers are limited by distance and mass (like, he can't pull Alpha Centauri closer to Sol...).

    Even if Manifold's powers are restricted to his own reality, he could stilk be an Omega in the sense that his powers have no limit within his reality...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reigna View Post
    More like magneto is going to get nerfed to make him look good like almost all those who have faced him.
    I don't see how it means Magneto is nerfed if he's going against someone who may be stronger than Thanos, who has consistently kicked entire team's asses?

    It does get silly just how strong Thanos is, but if Uranos is around Thanos' level or above, I don't really see how that means Magneto got nerfed if he loses considering all what it means to be as strong as Thanos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbysWorld View Post
    I mean, I'm curious enough about Lactuca and like her design enough that I'm not SAD about her getting the expanded power-set, but tbh I'm actually with you there. Throughout SWORD I was rooting for that plotline to be building up to the reveal that Eden was in fact an omega himself, and the only reason he wasn't considered one was because Xavier or the other arbiters of what constitutes an omega power failed to take into account Eden's personal policy of 'asking' the universe to do favors for him instead of just forcing things to happen. His self-perception of his powers and how he used them could have paved the way for a very interesting story about what actually defines the very concept of power - with Eden being an example of how just because you HAVE the power to do something, or force something, doesn't mean you believe in using it that way and him preferring to dabble in 'lesser feats' that allow him to work WITHIN the existing framework of how the universe is willing to operate, rather than him forcing the universe to bend to his will, which is what led others to mistakenly classify him as less than an omega.

    *Shrugs* That could have been a really interesting story and its what I was hoping for. Of course, Lactuca herself could have a similar mindset or approach to using her powers, and that could be the reason for her not to perform certain feats that she COULD do, but chooses not to because of the potential damage it could do to the universe in the process. Guess we'll see.
    Yeah, I really like it about Manifold. It is also why I like Lodus Logos from Arrakko, he can create unlimited amount of metal, but prefer to use his power on smaller things, simply because he likes it what way.

    I hope we would see more of Lactuca, Lodus and everyone else on Great Ring and they would not be killed for cheep drama during upcoming event to show how dangerous Eternals are. I actually hope for the opposite, like Uranos coming to Mars, believing he would quickly slaughter everyone there, but instead he is obliterated within seconds. Because Arrakki are supposed to be this badass.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reigna View Post
    Manifold cant be omega due to one big limit his powers only work in his native reality whereas lactuca possibly is multiversal in scope (from Duggan's script). That alone removes him from the potential list of candidates since it puts a hard limit on what he can and cannot do.
    I don't think it counts. You can find such limit for other Omegas as well. Like, put Hope, Jean, Quentin, Elixir in place far way from any other people and their powers become useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harasar View Post
    Yeah, I really like it about Manifold. It is also why I like Lodus Logos from Arrakko, he can create unlimited amount of metal, but prefer to use his power on smaller things, simply because he likes it what way.

    I hope we would see more of Lactuca, Lodus and everyone else on Great Ring and they would not be killed for cheep drama during upcoming event to show how dangerous Eternals are. I actually hope for the opposite, like Uranos coming to Mars, believing he would quickly slaughter everyone there, but instead he is obliterated within seconds. Because Arrakki are supposed to be this badass.



    I don't think it counts. You can find such limit for other Omegas as well. Like, put Hope, Jean, Quentin, Elixir in place far way from any other people and their powers become useless.
    Yeah except their power works regardless of were they are. Manifold cant use his powers at all if he is not in his native universe. Its something he cant overcome. At least elixir can still manipulate his own biology, hope can still manipulate powers and Quentin well is a telepath so he can still do all that. Manifold on the other hand cant do anything like at all when he is not in his native verse. He is kinda like a multiversal nexus weapon built by the builders and has a version for each universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habis View Post
    I am not so sure... every Omega is a specialist whose powers are unlimited only within their specialty... like, Exodus is an Omega Telekinetic, but he isn't an Omega Telepath, and Magneto's powers are limited by distance and mass (like, he can't pull Alpha Centauri closer to Sol...).

    Even if Manifold's powers are restricted to his own reality, he could stilk be an Omega in the sense that his powers have no limit within his reality...
    Exodus on one hand can do anything so far as he has belief energy.... and magneto is one of those charchters in the list where I am baffled he is in the list. Considering he has a very long track record of needing machines and other mutants to boost his powers. And now manifold he still wonf be remember lactuca knows everything everywhere even abstract things like thoughts and feelings, telling jean she knows what is in her heart. This implies a level of meta to her abilities that even manifold hasn't demonstrated yet. Yes he can spatial warp the universe but he clearly has limits on the nature of the request he can make take for instance, the sword station hitting Australia, he said it was a very big ask then proceeded to collapse on the floor because that took a lot out if him.
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    meanwhile me: "Omega mutant" probably means really really REALLY powerful. And I move on from the debate. ;-)

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    I'm right there with you, Exodus. That's the most smart and sensible thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reigna View Post
    Exodus on one hand can do anything so far as he has belief energy.... and magneto is one of those charchters in the list where I am baffled he is in the list. Considering he has a very long track record of needing machines and other mutants to boost his powers. And now manifold he still wonf be remember lactuca knows everything everywhere even abstract things like thoughts and feelings, telling jean she knows what is in her heart. This implies a level of meta to her abilities that even manifold hasn't demonstrated yet. Yes he can spatial warp the universe but he clearly has limits on the nature of the request he can make take for instance, the sword station hitting Australia, he said it was a very big ask then proceeded to collapse on the floor because that took a lot out if him.
    And he couldn't even fling the Orchis Station into the Sun, because it had "Dyson engines". The only thing Magneto is omega at is bullshit from writers who don't understand how science works:

    e.g. magnetic shield deflecting snowballs and non-ferrous metals, magnetically controlling bloodflow in the brain (super alarming news to anyone having an MRI scan!), magnetic Astral Plane access, "magnetic personality".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harasar View Post
    Inferno last year. He and Xavier were killed by Nimrod and Omega Sentinel.

    What about pre Hickman?

    Did he die during the Rosenberg era?

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