How powerful is juggernaut anyway? Below Thanos level?
How powerful is juggernaut anyway? Below Thanos level?
He's a legit class 100, with regards to strength. Durability, he far surpasses that. And even if one gets through his absolutely ridiculous durability, he has demonstrated rather impressive regeneration in the past. Then there's the whole 'unstoppable' thing - it takes something like Thor's Godblast just to stop him moving and push him back when he gets going (note: Thor's Godblast didn't actually HURT him).
Sometimes he has a force field, sometimes he doesn't, seems to depend on the writer. More modern Juggernaut tends to not have a force field, as I recall.
He has no resistance to mental attacks, but tends to wear a helmet that can stop Xavier-level psychic assaults. People have gotten the helmet off him in the past - it's usually how the X-men win against him.
He isn't terribly skilled, of course, and has basically no speed. But he normally doesn't need it, given his strength and crazy durability.
Essentially, he's very powerful and tremendously durable on a physical level, but someone like Thanos should be able to pin him down (based on skill and strength, given how Thanos busts planets just by fighting on them), tear off his helmet, and then mind-zorch him.
Why are we here?
"Superboy Prime (the yelling guy if he needs clarification)..." - Postmania
"...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move." - Nik
"Why throw punches when you can be making everyone around you sterile mutant corpses?" - Pendaran, regarding Dr. Fate
Has anyone ever built a huge Juggernaut gun and just shot him at somebody? Like I feel this is a tremendous missed opportunity for beating some mid-tier cosmic or something, just leveraging the unstoppable-ness as hard as they can.
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Pretty much, though maybe not against an already moving Marko. Either way, Thanos is stronger than Juggernaut, easily durable enough to withstand his attacks, more skilled than him, has a bucketload of esoteric and energy attacks...most of which won't do anything to Cain, but it's probably not that hard for Thanos to just get the upper hand in the fight, tear off Marko's helmet, then mind-frag him into submission.
Why are we here?
"Superboy Prime (the yelling guy if he needs clarification)..." - Postmania
"...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move." - Nik
"Why throw punches when you can be making everyone around you sterile mutant corpses?" - Pendaran, regarding Dr. Fate
Basically, yeah.
In one of Thanos' first appearances - before multiple powerups - he and Drax got in a fight on a deserted world. Their fight shattered the world. Note: they didn't shatter the world by punching the ground, or anything. The world just blew up because they were punching EACH OTHER that hard.
As another example, Thanos has pretty much beaten the Silver Surfer into a coma with a half-a-dozen punches.
I'm pretty cool with the idea that he can get Juggernaut into some kind of hold, then tear off his helmet. At which point, bzort, Cain is now in a coma himself.
Last edited by Sharpandpointies; 07-07-2022 at 01:55 PM.
Why are we here?
"Superboy Prime (the yelling guy if he needs clarification)..." - Postmania
"...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move." - Nik
"Why throw punches when you can be making everyone around you sterile mutant corpses?" - Pendaran, regarding Dr. Fate
It's always fun to see powered-up version of Juggernaut, because whenever that happens, you know the writers are gonna have to bend over backwards to justify defeating him :P
There's been a few comics where Juggernaut has pulled out some other weird abilities, using his force field as a projectile, draining energy from magical beings, flight, and once got so powerful he was physically able to punch through dimensions.
Usually though, like 99.9% of the time, he just punches things. I guess the idea is that the Juggernaut could potentially be a much more dangerous person, but he just likes being a big guy that hits things.
In the hands of a more skilled or imaginative man I could see the Juggernaut power being used in ways Cain could never comprehend. Says something about Colossus that he did not either....
Bit like that time Emma Frost took over Iceman's body and used his powers totally differently and more bad ass than Bobby did.
I wonder how Juggernaut would fair on Maestro's (original) world?