Are the X-men kind of villains now?

[HomoSuperior]

Are the X-men kind of villains now?

I'd say there is increasingly little difference between mutants and the Phoenix Five (which read like bad fan fiction and cautionary tale).

[BroHomo]

Are the X-men kind of villains now?

I'd say there is increasingly little difference between mutants and the Phoenix Five (which read like bad fan fiction and cautionary tale).

Cautionary tale for who?

[Omega Alpha]

Cautionary tale for who?

It's a cautionary tale that you don't shoot a cosmic entity with a gun, and if somehow that entity gets divided to 5 mutants, you don't attack and provoke them unnecessarily.

[Baron of Faltine]

It's a cautionary tale that you don't shoot a cosmic entity with a gun, and if somehow that entity gets divided to 5 mutants, you don't attack and provoke them unnecessarily.

To Be Fair till then shooting or menacing to shoot a cosmic entities in the face always worked for heroes. Of course is only hubris thinking you can build the equivalent of ultimate nullifier.
And on serious side in the end this is one of basecautionary tale of Marvle Uinveree latest cosmos, beware to be too proud or happy as the universe will find a way to screw you up. ALWAYS.

[Glio]

Cautionary tale for who?

For anyone who doesn't want to upset the status quo and keep their heads down.

Krakoa have cured diseases, lengthened the lives of humans, saved a nation trapped in Amenth (Hell), saved the Omniverse, resurrected people, minimized the damage evil mutants do to humans and saved Earth from aliens, just to name a few of the stories that occur to me.

However, some of them are jerks so I guess they are supervillains.

[Krakoa]

Are the X-men kind of villains now?

I'd say there is increasingly little difference between mutants and the Phoenix Five (which read like bad fan fiction and cautionary tale).

Increasingly little difference between mutants and people who... helped solve the climate crisis? fed the hungry? stopped wars?

[Glio]

Increasingly little difference between mutants and people who... helped solve the climate crisis? fed the hungry? stopped wars?

I'll always remember that time Cyclops was sealing off the San Andreas Fault to prevent more earthquakes and the reader has to deduce that he definitely lost his mind.



He was a real villain, not only wanted to save San Francisco, he wanted ALSO to cure congenital diseases of Ukrainian children, save an endangered species of tiger, repair the polar ice caps and bring water to Africa.

Evil.

[Frobisher]

I'll always remember that time Cyclops was sealing off the San Andreas Fault to prevent more earthquakes and the reader has to deduce that he definitely lost his mind.



He was a real villain, not only wanted to save San Francisco, he wanted ALSO to cure congenital diseases of Ukrainian children, save an endangered species of tiger, repair the polar ice caps and bring water to Africa.

Evil.

Man was never meant to play at God, which is why we should give up all of modern medicine and nutrition and die of palsy by the age of thirty.

[sunofdarkchild]

Marvel meant for the Phoenix 5 to come across as villains, but the readers didn't see it that way. Namor, Emma, Magik, and Colossus did things that were definitely villainous, but Cyclops didn't.

And the things some of the P5 did that were villainous were just so stupid. Like bringing a piece of Limbo to earth to serve as a prison. That is just putting in more work for less benefit. Limbo as it originally was serves as a much better prison than the version Magik created on earth because it's in a different dimension. All bringing part of Limbo to earth accomplished was making it easier to escape or for someone else to break the prisoners out by removing the 'how do we travel between dimensions' part of the escape. You don;t have to worry about returning to earth when you're already on earth. The only reason you'd design a prison like that is if you actually want the prisoners to escape,

On-topic, in one way the X-Men are now more like their past heroic selves than they've been in decades. Classic Marvel, including the X-Men, had a no-killing rule similar to DC's no-killing rule for its heroes. It wasn't as absolute as Batman's rule, but it was definitely there. The US government decided to nuke Iron Man because he had accidentally killed a villain and he himself nearly lost his battle with alcoholism over it. That seems to have disappeared over time. The 'kill no man' rule, while far from universally enforced, does still place the limits on our heroes that used to be the primary thing which differentiated them from the villains.

[ohsnapulon5000]

anyone stanning P5 Cyclops describes heterophilia at its finest.

[Runarc]

I'll always remember that time Cyclops was sealing off the San Andreas Fault to prevent more earthquakes and the reader has to deduce that he definitely lost his mind.



He was a real villain, not only wanted to save San Francisco, he wanted ALSO to cure congenital diseases of Ukrainian children, save an endangered species of tiger, repair the polar ice caps and bring water to Africa.

Evil.

A benevolent Tyrant is still a Tyrant.

Just look at Latveria. One of the most prosperous nations on Earth-616, as long as you obey uncle Doomy without question.

On topic: the Krakoans are racist assholes, not villians.

[Glio]

A benevolent Tyrant is still a Tyrant.

Just look at Latveria. One of the most prosperous nations on Earth-616, as long as you obey uncle Doomy without question.

On topic: the Krakoans are racist assholes, not villians.

The only law the P5 imposed on humans was "No more wars". If that's tyranny...

Krakoa has racist assholes, the whole nation is not like that, just like any other nation. It's not worse in that regard that United States.

[CoCoBandz]

A benevolent Tyrant is still a Tyrant.

Just look at Latveria. One of the most prosperous nations on Earth-616, as long as you obey uncle Doomy without question.

On topic: the Krakoans are racist assholes, not villians.

"Cyclops why won't you let us kill each other with our ego wars?? Stop giving us infinite renewable energy you TYRANT!!"

[Devaishwarya]

Going by the preview pages for JD 04...

The MU humans are the villains now.

[JB]

Going by the preview pages for JD 04...

The MU humans are the villains now.

MmHmm. Shameful.