DCEU Superman thread/Henry Cavill is back as Superman

[Vordan]

The “Snyderverse” in context means the five film Snyder arc with Darkseid invading and the Knightmare ****. That’s not happening even if Cavill were to somehow return (and Cavill himself wanted to go in a different direction anyway). But WB has kept as many of the actors that Snyder casted as possible. Gadot and Maoma are still involved, Shannon is making a return as Zod, Miller is (currently) still the Flash, etc. Abandoning the Snyderverse didn’t mean abandoning Cavill until he refused to do the Shazam cameo. Affleck of all people has been given an opening to return for the Crisis movie per the leaks about Flash.

Cavill may still get to play a role, it will just be in a different direction from what Snyder intended. Everyone should just chill out and wait until Sat. If Cavill isn’t there then he’s probably done.

[Venomized-spider-man]

Well, the old regime made the decision to erase Superman from the DCEU and Lee's comment makes it sound as if Zaslav has decided to go with that plan. If that is the case, then it's driven by the bottom line and "penny pincher" Zaslav determining Superman is not financially viable as a film franchise. Or not near as viable as WW, Aquaman, Shazam, BA and certainly Batman.

Which doesn't even make sense since they kept Harley quin when all her movies underperformed compare to man of steel and they're still giving Margo an another film

[Jeffrey2]

Superman and/or Cavill playing Superman can exist without Snyderverse.

Zaslav/WBD erasing Superman from the DCEU still leaves the Abrams total re-imaging of a black Superman in the works. That film would, like Batman, presumably exist outside the DCEU as it sounds as if it would pretty much be a new character but for the name of Superman.

[Last Son of Krypton]

The “Snyderverse” in context means the five film Snyder arc with Darkseid invading and the Knightmare ****. That’s not happening even if Cavill were to somehow return (and Cavill himself wanted to go in a different direction anyway). But WB has kept as many of the actors that Snyder casted as possible. Gadot and Maoma are still involved, Shannon is making a return as Zod, Miller is (currently) still the Flash, etc. Abandoning the Snyderverse didn’t mean abandoning Cavill until he refused to do the Shazam cameo. Affleck of all people has been given an opening to return for the Crisis movie per the leaks about Flash.

It's a set up for the Flash's sequel. But I don't see it happening if Ezra is done and get recast. I can't imagine a non-Ezra Flash wasting time to travel the multiverse to search Bafleck. lol.

Cavill may still get to play a role, it will just be in a different direction from what Snyder intended. Everyone should just chill out and wait until Sat. If Cavill isn’t there then he’s probably done.

He'll be on video... but shown only from the neck down.

1 more day...

[Venomized-spider-man]

Zaslav/WBD erasing Superman from the DCEU still leaves the Abrams total re-imaging of a black Superman in the works. That film would, like Batman, presumably exist outside the DCEU as it sounds as if it would pretty much be a new character but for the name of Superman.

Wait that still going on wasn't there rumor that the send back the script to be rework again without black superman and the time era set in modern day

[Vordan]

It's a set up for the Flash's sequel. But I don't see it happening if Ezra is done and get recast. I can't imagine a non-Ezra Flash wasting time to travel the multiverse to search Bafleck. lol.



He'll be on video... but shown only from the neck down.

1 more day...

I think was more so a set up for the next JL movie which would’ve been Crisis.

Wait that still going on wasn't there rumor that the send back the script to be rework again without black superman and the time era set in modern day

We don’t know. Last “leak” was that they liked it but sent it back for extensive rewrites and had doubts about its financial viability (which kinda makes it seem like they DIDN’T like it) but we haven’t heard anything official since over a year ago when it was announced. Zaslav apparently isn’t happy with Abrams however because Abrams hasn’t delivered anything and Abrams contract ends next year. Very likely they won’t renew his contract.

[Last Son of Krypton]

I think was more so a set up for the next JL movie which would’ve been Crisis.

They don't plan to reboot with COIE. Too much world building in the next wave of movies to reboot.

The post credit scene set up the next Flash's adventure/mission spoilers:

Batfleck task him to "Find us"

end of spoilers. It's something Ezra* and the Flash team come up with. Can't think of it as JL related because of it, but it could be retrofit there, of course.

It's some Flash's multiverse trip to find Batfleck, but if Barry fucked up the timeline to save his mom, he could cause a multiverse crisis to save his bff.

*It's not known yet, I think, but Ezra had a lot of creative control over the movie, they came up with some concepts, and rewrite the script. If you'll see them getting executive prod. or writing/story credits, here's why.

[Vordan]

They don't plan to reboot with COIE. Too much world building in the next wave of movies to reboot.

The post credit scene set up the next Flash's adventure/mission spoilers:

Batfleck task him to "Find us"

end of spoilers. It's something Ezra* and the Flash team come up with. Can't think of it as JL related because of it, but it could be retrofit there, of course.

It's some Flash's multiverse trip to find Batfleck, but if Barry fucked up the timeline to save his mom, he could cause a multiverse crisis to save his bff.

*It's not known yet, I think, but Ezra had a lot of creative control over the movie, they came up with some concepts, and rewrite the script. If you'll see them getting executive prod. or writing/story credits, here's why.

Heard about the post credit scene, hadn’t heard that was Miller’s idea. If you’re right then yeah, that’s likely another DC post credit scene that’s going nowhere lmao. Unless of course they try to spin the Flash as Ezra’s redemption tour which isn’t out of the realm of possibility.

[Jeffrey2]

The “Snyderverse” in context means the five film Snyder arc with Darkseid invading and the Knightmare ****. That’s not happening even if Cavill were to somehow return (and Cavill himself wanted to go in a different direction anyway). But WB has kept as many of the actors that Snyder casted as possible. Gadot and Maoma are still involved, Shannon is making a return as Zod, Miller is (currently) still the Flash, etc. Abandoning the Snyderverse didn’t mean abandoning Cavill until he refused to do the Shazam cameo. Affleck of all people has been given an opening to return for the Crisis movie per the leaks about Flash.

Cavill may still get to play a role, it will just be in a different direction from what Snyder intended. Everyone should just chill out and wait until Sat. If Cavill isn’t there then he’s probably done.

If Zaslov/WBD go ahead and erase Superman there still is the Abrahms/Coates reimaged black Superman in the works. It will be a mostly different character in its own universe and ironically Cavill will have been responsible in a way for killing the Superman film franchise by saying no to a Shazam cameo. His stock among fans, not especially good among fans I know, will take a further hit.

[Last Son of Krypton]

Heard about the post credit scene, hadn’t heard that was Miller’s idea. If you’re right then yeah, that’s likely another DC post credit scene that’s going nowhere lmao. Unless of course they try to spin the Flash as Ezra’s redemption tour which isn’t out of the realm of possibility.

They had a court hearing this month, the verdict should be known in few months.

So far, Ezra isn't part of DCEU's future plans according to Variety (?). But who knows what could happen later. The DCEU's future is unpredictable, lol.

[Vordan]

If Zaslov/WBD go ahead and erase Superman there still is the Abrahms/Coates reimaged black Superman in the works. It will be a mostly different character in its own universe and ironically Cavill will have been responsible in a way for killing the Superman film franchise by saying no to a Shazam cameo. His stock among fans, not especially good among fans I know, will take a further hit.

You do get that ditching the Snyderverse doesn’t necessarily mean ditching Cavill though right? That was what my post was attempting to point out. I thought they were dumping him as well but tomorrow will hopefully bring clarity. Zaslav apparently wants to focus on the shared universe again however because he sees greater profit in it, he isn’t happy with Abrams, and all of the execs who previously supported the Abrams/Coates project (Kilar, Sarnoff, Emmerich, and likely soon Hamada) have been laid off. A new DC head is supposedly coming so the Abrams/Coates project may end up a casualty of the WBD regime change.

In other words nothing is guaranteed.

[Last Son of Krypton]

Latin WB praying Henry shows up at SDCC, wtf? lol: https://twitter.com/WarnerChannelLA/...26092091412481

[Jeffrey2]

Which doesn't even make sense since they kept Harley quin when all her movies underperformed compare to man of steel and they're still giving Margo an another film

It depends on how much, relative to MOS, HQ unperformed. WB was predicting a billion-dollar box for MOS and it hugely underdelivered at 668 million. Suits lost their jobs at WB over MOS.

Botom line is the ROI of a film. MOS made something like 3% on the WB investment. Other films like WW and Shazam and Aquaman did much better - around 10% plus. The Marvel films did even better. But for the Joker - over a billion at the box and it cost 70 or so million to make. What film is a studio going to invest in? It's a no brainer. I haven't seen the numbers for HQ but it could have had better ROIs than MOS despite underperforming. Folks at the time were surprised Shazam got an immediate sequel because it only made 400 million or so while MOS made a lot more. The key was that Shazam cost so much less to make and it's ROI was much higher.

Zaslov has access to these numbers and to the real numbers which is key. Studios often understate a film's cost to make the film look more financially successful than it really is. All studios do this. With MOS's ROI being so small it's conceivable it actually lost money for the studio. If Zaslov/WBD are not going to make more Superman this would be why. They aren't going to invest in something that returns 3% or may lose money when they have Batman, WW, Aquaman and the Joker which made real buck. Zaslov/WBD will focus on the financially strong franchises and getting those films out while testing the water with new film franchises like Batgirl and Supergirl and others hoping those turn into big moneymakers tentpoles. Zaslov has been quoted to the effect that WB had not been exploiting its successful franchises enough insofar as in getting out quick sequels and using these franchises to launch new franchises.

Bottom line, Zaslov knows the real numbers and that will drive where he takes the DCEU. It may be why so far the new regime does not seem to be focusing on Superman.

[Jeffrey2]

If Cavill isn’t there then he’s probably done.

Agree and the nail in the coffin would be a faceless Superman cameo in BA.

BTW, read that with Routh there was never an official announcement from WB that he was let go and Routh didn't officially announce his leaving the role. Just a non-heralded parting of the ways. A faceless Superman in BA could effectively be the only "formal" announcement from WBD and Cavill about their parting of the ways.

IMO Cavill way overplayed his hand. He was not that popular in the role with a significant segment of the fanbase, his MOS did poorly compared to the other standalone DCEU films like Aquaman and WW and he gave WB the finger by turning down the Shazam cameo. His value as part of the DCEU is much less than that of Gadot, Mamoa and the new Batman actor. He was in denial if he thought otherwise and that he could convince WB to give him a solo film.

[DochaDocha]

Which doesn't even make sense since they kept Harley quin when all her movies underperformed compare to man of steel and they're still giving Margo an another film

I think expecations with Harley were much lower than for Superman. Superman was supposed to be a billion dollar franchise. Harley's hurdle was probably something like as long as she makes a small profit. Also, Superman probably comes across as more "generic" (even though almost the entire industry was in some part inspired by Supes), whereas even if Harley fails she fills some kind of niche.