Changing sexualities of the modern X-Men

[jwatson]

No worries from me, Jwat, 'cause if someone asks... my reply would be, well, I'm seXual... and fluid. It's free flowing, nonconfining[/conforming], and suits me just fine. It's merely just one... of the many, aspects of my identity. Also, I like to keep my options open, and never say never.

However, it does seem as though some have never known anyone who they always thought was straight, but then discovered & learned... they weren't.

That said, to any more of the naysaying haters:

SO...

I appreciate that. And since i'm feeling all comftable i will also say it works with writers who are supportive as well. Like i understand there is a stigma that shouldn't be there but at some point not ever gay character needs to be with their first for 20 years and there needs to be balance there too just like in straight romances. Like i would consider myself fluid but at the same time completely the monogamous type but others aren't like that. Like i've had 3 relationships in my life all long term. Where as some are in the middle and some are on the other side. Sometimes even a lack in something as what may seem as simple as that takes away the "realness" of couples that are same sex or a character that is finding themselves. And i get it but i think sometimes writers go too far to play it safe that we don't get the full experience of what a gay, or fluid or asexual character would really be because it's usually presented as one thing. I was thinking about this during jurrassic park cartoon on netflix of all shows and i just felt an emotion of i love what this show is doing but it almost felt like and this was a combination of things hitting me for some reason that sometimes in these relationships it's presented as though they were made for this ONE person who happens to be female and while that is a warm sentiment it's not real and puts an expectation on what people in those situations have to present themselves as to make others comfortable.

[Hulkout42]

comics are f!cking doomed :/

They were doomed long before this came about.

[PolarIceFire]

I appreciate that. And since i'm feeling all comftable i will also say it works with writers who are supportive as well. Like i understand there is a stigma that shouldn't be there but at some point not ever gay character needs to be with their first for 20 years and there needs to be balance there too just like in straight romances. Like i would consider myself fluid but at the same time completely the monogamous type but others aren't like that. Like i've had 3 relationships in my life all long term. Where as some are in the middle and some are on the other side. Sometimes even a lack in something as what may seem as simple as that takes away the "realness" of couples that are same sex or a character that is finding themselves. And i get it but i think sometimes writers go too far to play it safe that we don't get the full experience of what a gay, or fluid or asexual character would really be because it's usually presented as one thing. I was thinking about this during jurrassic park cartoon on netflix of all shows and i just felt an emotion of i love what this show is doing but it almost felt like and this was a combination of things hitting me for some reason that sometimes in these relationships it's presented as though they were made for this ONE person who happens to be female and while that is a warm sentiment it's not real and puts an expectation on what people in those situations have to present themselves as to make others comfortable.

YES, Jwat, we need the FULL ARRAY... of the spectrum! Singular, and what I would say in many cases stereotypical, portrayals... are not the way to go. The two forms of manga I brought up over in Iceman's thread, when we were discussing this very same thing pretty much, yaoi & bara... epitomize this.

By Gay Men, for Gay Men: Why Bara Manga Deserves to Be as Popular as Yaoi, @CBR.com

BL manga is mostly created by female manga artists for women. Yaoi caters to women’s fantasies filled with love confessions and intimacy between two guys, and is generally not focused on providing an accurate portrayal of gay men and LGTBQIA+ issues in society.

However, bara manga is gay erotic content mainly made by gay manga artists for gay men. Bara allows for authenticity since gay mangaka can draw and tell stories based on their own experiences and interests. ...

Both bara and yaoi manga use explicit sex scenes to showcase how lust and passion can consume a man. Showcasing these raw emotions is a form of liberation and escapism for both male and female readers because they can privately indulge in their own sinful and sexual fantasies through a manga.

However, due to a largely female audience, yaoi also uses uke/seme roles that match roughly with heteronormative gender roles. The seme is the instigator and has a dominant and masculine persona while the uke receives the seme and has a feminine persona. The uke/seme dynamic is strictly used only in BL manga. Bara manga does not use uke/seme roles; instead, bara manga showcases men who love men, regardless of labeling characters with masculine and feminine attributes. ...

Also, I forgot, there was somethin' else... FUN, I wanted to do.

A li'l objective v subjective, strictly VISUAL [no dialogue]... INTERPRETATION game, to demonstrate how perspective-cum-perception can & does, INFLUENCE... how we view something. SO, to all who are inclined...

EVERYBODY FEEL FREE...
to SAY WHAT YOU SEE...



HERE! Not surprisingly, I can easily read it... in more than 1 way.

And I'll be surprised, if there's much disagreement as to what's... on Shinobi's mind, lol.

[Micabe]

People forget that Claremont hinted at Betsy being queer way back in his Captain Britain series with one character pretty much being presented as her girlfriend. There was a thread here about it. I don't remember which character it was but I remember it showing how this character woke up the next morning wearing Betsy's shirt. Everyone focuses on Rachel. Yes, it would be extremely biphobic to make both characters lesbians when they've pretty much always been bisexual without it being said so. But they haven't said they aren't yet, so there's no reason to accuse anybody of biphobia.

Since I have the complete Captain Britain/MI13 series -- who (volume and issue please) was presented as her girlfriend? I'd like to post a few pages for those who don't have said issue(s). Thanks

[Rift]

I did not expect to see gay Japanese book genres being mentioned on this forum, nor to see Delusions and Jump Rope being referenced. And I certainly didn't expect CBR to have an entire article about the subject while featuring cropped porn. That's wild, man. The internet is wild sometimes.

[LAWtoyoto 432]

If it helps, Logan x Beast is incredibly popular with furries.

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Well, then explains if Beast kiss Wonder Man is consider romance or just another bromance?

[Psy-lock]

Beast and Wonder Man were a couple on Earth 763. Someone should kill off straight!Beast and replace him with the gay version. No one likes straight!Beast anymore anyway

[Sutekh]

To be fair, if she looked like either Famke Janssen or Sophie Turner and you, as a teenage boy, is not thinking of sex when you first meet her, yeah, you're probably gay.

I know it's comics and erections don't exist, but when I was a teenage boy, I could not have run around with Jean Grey wearing nothing but a bikini and boots... (Although maybe the snow coating helped keep things shrunk?)

[Su_Whisterfield]

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love is for everyone particularly Kurt/Logan

[Starfish]

Why is it that no one ever ships, questions, or confirms the sexuality of mutants who are unattractive, have the physical appearance of animals, or those whose overall makeup isn't of flesh and blood?

For what it's worth, I'd like to see Mercury help more mutants whose power or appearance makes it difficult to find a partner. I believe she can empathize with their situation and understands the importance of physical comfort, especially when feeling alienated from others in your community.

[PhoenixThanos]

I know it's comics and erections don't exist, but when I was a teenage boy, I could not have run around with Jean Grey wearing nothing but a bikini and boots... (Although maybe the snow coating helped keep things shrunk?)

Wtf is this thread ?.

[Nicoclaws]

Why is it that no one ever ships, questions, or confirms the sexuality of mutants who are unattractive, have the physical appearance of animals, or those whose overall makeup isn't of flesh and blood?

Wtf are you talking about ?
Half of this thread is about Mercury's harem. There's been some talk about Beast, obviously, and Rahne. And Nightcrawler+Wolverine is a HUGE ship.
And please give me main X-cast who are not attractive ? (Marrow, maybe, and she has most certainly lesbian shippers, most recently with her roomie Feral.)

[Uncanny X-Man]

As fun as discussing the sexual preferences of fictional characters may be, I would like to take a moment to celebrate the X-office and the current roster of X-creators, which I believe is as diverse as it's ever been in terms of sexuality and gender identities. Someone please correct me if I'm misremembering, misinterpreting or forgetting anyone:

Kieron Gillen, Al Ewing, Leah Williams and Tini Howard are all bisexual.
Steve Orlando is gay.
Vita Ayala is non-binary.
Lucas Werneck and Russell Dautermann are both gay.
Jan Bazaldua is trans.

Here's to all these creators, the X-editors for hiring them and their straight allies!

[danielsan52]

Wouldn't this essentially, be more like... masturbation, or am I missin' something?

Also, I would say Gambit's's unequivocally been shown to have...

eXperience(s) in this area of seXual eXploration.

For a 1/2 second upon seeing this, I thought this was a character named Respira!

[PolarIceFire]

As fun as discussing the sexual preferences of fictional characters may be, I would like to take a moment to celebrate the X-office and the current roster of X-creators, which I believe is as diverse as it's ever been in terms of sexuality and gender identities. Someone please correct me if I'm misremembering, misinterpreting or forgetting anyone:

Kieron Gillen, Al Ewing, Leah Williams and Tini Howard are all bisexual.
Steve Orlando is gay.
Vita Ayala is non-binary.
Lucas Werneck and Russell Dautermann are both gay.
Jan Bazaldua is trans.

Here's to all these creators, the X-editors for hiring them and their straight allies!

For a 1/2 second upon seeing this, I thought this was a character named Respira!

HA! Sadly, IIRC, [Respira!] Brother Marcelo died not too long after this BUT... with a taste of Remy's spiciness still on his lips, and I'm sure, on his mind. Gambit's gotta way with the ladies... and THE BOYS!! 💖💜💙