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    Quote Originally Posted by PolarIceFire View Post
    Ditto! And guess ya must've missed this:



    Or perhaps it's... just beyond you.
    I didn't miss it at all. It's not proof of anything. It's clear Jean is seeing both of them right now. There is nothing to suggest Scott and Logan are BI. This is not proof. Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolarIceFire View Post
    As for Roberto da Costa, aka Sunspot, and any potential [NO FEAR of] intimacy between him & his bromantic partner in crime Samuel Guthrie, aka Cannonball...



    as w/EVERYthing, I'm not afraid to let you draw your own conclusions, and completely understand if some of you need to eXplain things away... 'cause of the likely advancement issues that accompany that.
    I absolutely love the bromance between Bobby and Sam. Is there more to it then just friendship that I don't know but either side of the argument would be believable and fit their history. I don't have a preference either way but I will say I think it would be absolutely hilarious to have a issue where Izzy walks in on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolarIceFire View Post
    Ditto! ̶A̶n̶d̶ ̶g̶u̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶y̶a̶ ̶m̶u̶s̶t̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶m̶i̶s̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶:̶

    Or perhaps it's... just beyond you.
    Quote Originally Posted by jpmst17 View Post
    I don't need to tell myself anything. You clearly want something and it's just not there. sorry
    @jpmst17, you waste your time -- keep this in mind before you get roped into another topic such as this...

    "Headcanon generally refers to ideas held by fans of series that are not explicitly supported by sanctioned text or other media. Fans maintain the ideas in their heads, outside of the accepted canon."
    Last edited by Micabe; 08-07-2022 at 07:18 PM. Reason: Thought ammendment(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micabe View Post
    @jpmst17, you waste your time -- keep this in mind before you get roped into another topic such as this...

    "Headcanon generally refers to ideas held by fans of series that are not explicitly supported by sanctioned text or other media. Fans maintain the ideas in their heads, outside of the accepted canon."
    I know you're right. I should just let these people live in their delusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolarIceFire View Post
    ... As in a cognitive or an orgasmic state? I'll wait...
    Not that I care all that much, but upon a few more moments of further thought, I SUPPOSE... this could be seen as a rather juvenile, balls & boobs joke. As in, somedays I feel like sum testicles, somedays I feel like sum breasts. It's hard to tell with you lot, sometimes, given the proneness to absurd irrationalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hulkout42 View Post
    You don't get it, i pity you for it.
    Oh, child, please. Don't bother, save it for yourself. You can say it 'til the cows come home, and hopefully then, you'll get a li'l somethin-somethin. 'Cause forget touching the grass, what some of y'all need, by the desperate sounds of it... is a good, old-fashioned:





    And though I'll probably regret this, I'll bite anyway... what am I not getting? From the link I provided, [periodical] comics aren't only doin' good, they're doing better than ever! Or is it that this just doesn't line up with your preconceived notions?

    Quote Originally Posted by shooshoomanjoe View Post
    Iceman should be bi not gay. He was into women when he had amnesia so it wouldn't make sense to make him gay only
    Um, no offense, BUT... not necessarily. I'd argue behavior = instinctual, wherein cognitive = intellectual. I mean, have you ever been in the closet... for most your life? Does someone with amnesia forget to put clothes on, to cover themselves, and just walk around naked? See, there's this thing called... conditioning. Though I'll admit, this is just conjecture on my part, I'm no eXpert. But I could look into it more, if ya want, just say the word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steroid View Post
    I absolutely love the bromance between Bobby and Sam. Is there more to it then just friendship that I don't know but either side of the argument would be believable and fit their history. I don't have a preference either way but I will say I think it would be absolutely hilarious to have a issue where Izzy walks in on them.
    Ha! That would be funny, I guess, but IDK... if that's the way I'd like to see it go. Just played for laughs, I mean.

    Quote Originally Posted by Micabe View Post
    @jpmst17, you waste your time -- keep this in mind before you get roped into another topic such as this...

    "Headcanon generally refers to ideas held by fans of series that are not explicitly supported by sanctioned text or other media. Fans maintain the ideas in their heads, outside of the accepted canon."
    As you just proved with this very post, thank you, and... carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PolarIceFire View Post
    Ha! That would be funny, I guess, but IDK... if that's the way I'd like to see it go. Just played for laughs, I mean.

    As you just proved with this very post, thank you, and... carry on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PolarIceFire View Post
    Ditto! And guess ya must've missed this:



    Or perhaps it's... just beyond you.
    Please, you can post the same thing 50 times, it won't officially make Cyclops bisexual in the marvel universe. And above all, accept that some people want something more concrete to be convinced that a character who has always been clearly heterosexual, would suddenly be attracted to men. Damn, in the Krakoa era, this may be the only discussion or interaction a minimum subject to interpretations in 3 years, written by Hickman who is not even in place anymore. In what world is that enough to change a character's orientation ?

    Interpretation and headcanon are fine, but only if we agree that it's just that. As long as it is not shown or written on page anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    I do think the throuple is canon though. I mean a dude don't just bait another dude with seeing him in a speedo and then he shows up and the scene made it feel particularly clear there was flirting and intent there. But what we don't know is what it means to or for any of them which i get can be important but which i like that at least in my mind it gets across the casual feeling of it and almost a well do you know what's going on in anyone's bedroom and why do you care. Don't know if that's what the intent was though.
    Eh, I think there is an argument for both sides. My guess is that there is at least something more to the dynamic than simply Jean seeing both guys, but anything specific is beyond me.

    On the believers side: The room opening between the three rooms is being spoken by the naysayers as if it were a completely normal thing when it isn’t. As far as we can tell, Jean isn’t serious with Logan. (Or at least casual enough for Logan to actually contemplate going for a random surfer girl without even given a single thought about how Jean would think) Having connected rooms straight into both mens is super weird. Who knows, maybe there are doors, but I am not certain how comfortable anyone would feel being within distance of the other persons room where private matters could be going on within ear distance, unless the Summers house boasts sound-proof walls.

    Not only that, but Scott isn’t joking when he said “Scott in a Speedo”. He is literally wearing one the next time we see him with the family on Chandilar and it would be very put-of-character to put one on in an attempt to take the joke further. If it were Bobby, Hank, Kurt, Warren, Gambit, or hell, even Colossus, maybe I could wave that off as them being wacky. But Scott is not the type to do that kind of humor and the most he does with humor is dry wit and humor, usually in an awkward way.

    And like it or not, the sub-plot in the Pride issue where Pride stories are happening would be very strange to do if they weren’t implying something. It wasn’t just a “oh, there’s Jean and Scott and Logan”. Scott and Logan literally were having an argument in the background as the main characters were having a conversation, with them resolving that conflict on panel in the background. Quite a friendship to display in the background of a Pride issue where it goes over subjects of being gay where two characters in a throuple are having an argument to be a message of “bromance” and “tolerance of each other’s company for their heterosexual relationship with the same girl”.

    On the naysayers side: I still do get it. Nothing is confirmed outright. Scott did not disclose he was bisexual or anything else. He never said he was heterosexual either, but he has only expressed interest in women. Logan even moreso. And jumping from rivals to possibly even a casual relationship is a big jump in character development to make for any character similar to Scott and Logan’s dynamic.

    On top of how it wouldn’t make sense in the grand scheme of things, Scott and Logan have not said any meaningful words to each other about anything outside of missions. They are barely in proximity of each other most of the time, especially nowadays when Scott and Jean are now on the X-Men. Yet, Jean has made efforts to see Logan for different reasons, both professionally and romantically. Scott has not as far as we know.

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    Either one of these can be taken as a possibility. It’s why I can’t say nay to either argument, but frankly, I find it unreasonable to absolutely shoot down either side. You (as in other people in this thread) can have your own view of the matter either way, but we should not be acting like neither side respectively has no absolute reason to think the way they do as if there is no merit to either side.

    Marvel absolutely dropped the ball on explaining how this dynamic works beyond “Jean is seeing both men. Everything is fine now”. I am placated by the fact that there is no love triangle. I will not lie though and say that I wish someone would have the hutzpah to do what the writer for Guardians of the Galaxy did and approach this throuple in actual closer detail like they did with Starlord, whether it’s to deny that Logan and Scott have any relationship of their own going or if they just avoid each other altogether. Something.

    Im in the camp of “there is something there and someone needs to actually do something interesting and approach what is going on”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncanny X-Man View Post
    As fun as discussing the sexual preferences of fictional characters may be, I would like to take a moment to celebrate the X-office and the current roster of X-creators, which I believe is as diverse as it's ever been in terms of sexuality and gender identities. Someone please correct me if I'm misremembering, misinterpreting or forgetting anyone:

    Kieron Gillen, Al Ewing, Leah Williams and Tini Howard are all bisexual.
    Steve Orlando is gay.
    Vita Ayala is non-binary.
    Lucas Werneck and Russell Dautermann are both gay.
    Jan Bazaldua is trans.

    Here's to all these creators, the X-editors for hiring them and their straight allies!
    I believe Steve is bisexual as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micabe View Post
    No, I'm not laughing at you... Really, I'm not.
    Some are simple like that, and easily amused.

    Quote Originally Posted by CapCyke View Post
    Please, you can post the same thing 50 times, it won't officially make Cyclops bisexual in the marvel universe. And above all, accept that some people want something more concrete to be convinced that a character who has always been clearly heterosexual, would suddenly be attracted to men. Damn, in the Krakoa era, this may be the only discussion or interaction a minimum subject to interpretations in 3 years, written by Hickman who is not even in place anymore. In what world is that enough to change a character's orientation ?

    Interpretation and headcanon are fine, but only if we agree that it's just that. As long as it is not shown or written on page anyway.
    1st sentence: Never said it did.
    2nd sentence: Have clearly stated that I do, several times over.
    Last sentences: I have never asserted what Hickman intended, other than being provocative, with what is CLEARLY...
    to anybody with even a modicum of reading comprehension:

    innuendo

    an allusive or oblique remark or hint, typically suggestive.
    "she's always making sly innuendoes"

    Similar: insinuation, implication, hint, suggestion, intimation, overtone, undertone, allusion, nuance, reference

    mid 16th century (as an adverb in the sense ‘that is to say, to wit’, used in legal documents to introduce an explanation): Latin, ‘by nodding at, by pointing to’, ablative gerund of innuere, from in- ‘towards’ + nuere ‘to nod’. The noun dates from the late 17th century.


    Which is all I ever said it was, from the beginning, and have... understood since grade school.

    I can't help that almost childlike others, crap their diapers and/or get their panties in a twist, over such things. I've been merely... reflecting the facetiousness of it all. And of course... playing devil's advocate, as I so often do, 'cause I like to. Sorry/not sorry for causing you or others any undue stress, but that's on you, not me... as it's self-created.

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    Arguing aside, we're all in agreement on who is the top out of Scott and Logan right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frobisher View Post
    Arguing aside, we're all in agreement on who is the top out of Scott and Logan right?
    Logan introduced him to the Victorian practice of frottage.
    Let the flames destroy all but that which is pure and true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZuLuLu View Post
    Meh, just I like real life I don't have a problem with comic characters' sexuality being messy and complicated.

    In a world where characters don't stay dead, come from a next time and dimension, can take over take over the body of another person and make it their own I'm not going to worry about the logic of if that character can be gay, bi, lesbian, etc...

    That said if you are going to explore a character's sexuality write a good story don't just use it for shock value.

    I also agree that existing LGBT characters should be used and developed more.
    This, 'cause...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queerbaiting
    Queerbaiting is a marketing technique for fiction and entertainment in which creators hint at, but then do not actually depict, same-sex romance or other LGBT representation. They do so to attract ("bait") a queer or straight ally audience with the suggestion of relationships or characters that appeal to them, while at the same time attempting to avoid alienating other consumers. ...
    is a thing, needs to be avoided... and called out. Which I think is what some were/are trying to say, in a roundabout way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Milici View Post
    The X-Office is very biphobic, Iceman should have been bisexual, Rictor was bisexual until they make him 100% gay...
    Quote Originally Posted by 9th. View Post
    100% agreed on Iceman although I think it still would've received the same amount of backlash.
    Quote Originally Posted by Icefanatic View Post
    The bulk of the fans don't even see...
    Just storing these here for easy access, as I want to address them at a later point, in Bobby's own app thread.

    And with that, I think I've said all I wanted to say on the matter. Or at least I thought I did, UNTIL...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frobisher View Post
    Arguing aside, we're all in agreement on who is the top out of Scott and Logan right?
    this opportunity arose, lol. IDK...



    I'm kinda leaning towards them being verse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shooshoomanjoe View Post
    Iceman should be bi not gay. He was into women when he had amnesia so it wouldn't make sense to make him gay only
    Was this during Judgement War in X-Factor vol 1? I can't remember.
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