I’d rather see some NEW gay or bi character get character development over changing an existing character.
That said, I wonder if Super Sabre, Crimson Commando, Stonewall, Poltergeist, and Link were supposed to be gay from the start.
I’d rather see some NEW gay or bi character get character development over changing an existing character.
That said, I wonder if Super Sabre, Crimson Commando, Stonewall, Poltergeist, and Link were supposed to be gay from the start.
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This is SOOOO perfectly said!!!! I don't care if Betsy or Rachel are gay or straight or something in between. I think it's hot that they kissed. But why are they changing people's sexualities and downplaying the value of deep, solid friendships based on anything other than sex? (I think they do a rather poor job of this with straight pairings too, in that they always play up the sexual tensions as if if no two people of any gender or orientation can just be really good, healthy friends.) Is it to make a social critique that everyone exists on a sliding scale of sexuality rather than a binary choice? (That's my personal opinion, BTW.) Is it just to create shock value or tell a 'woke' story? Or is there a legit story reason that these particular characters finally came out after decades other than the writers ship them? (Still angry Liu shat all over Hellion to build up her X-23/Jubilee fanship.)
100% agree witht he scientific aspect. He would do it with a guy at least once as an experiment. And wasn't Sinister's consciousness put in a female clone once and had little to no problem with that from a social standpoint? (Or any standpoint, if I recall correctly.)
Just my thinking, but I've always read some kind of Dumbledor/Grendlewald dynamic into their friendship. Maybe acted on, maybe a curiosity on one or both their parts.
I'm not totally useless. I can always be used as a bad example...
Based opinion, tbqh. We shouldn't rest until Mercury is a harem master.
To be fair on Anole and Graymalkin, almost everyone in their entire generation is ignored. Anole actually has it better than many of them because he at least gets more cameos as wallpaper, and he was part of the Lost Club in Vita Ayala's New Mutants. But yeah, they need to get some focus instead of... whatever the heck is going on with them now.
Darkveil was introduced in the tail end of a fairly recent and very minor book, doesn't have a lot of characterization, and had played a big role. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people in charge even heard about them. It'd be cool to see them fleshed out more (and go back to being Shade,) but Darkveil is probably the least "deserving" of page time, compared to characters who have more going for them and haven't got their dues.
I get the vibe that Sinister is attracted to himself. Like he doesn't care about gender, he only loves things in relation to himself. So he'd bang his clones or Miss Sinister, and maaaaybe sleep with one of his experiments if they're good quality and worship the ground he walks on. ("I made that. I made this perfect specimen. I am a genius and they rightfully adore me!")
Agreed. Or focus on the ones they have, but haven't developed enough.
Considering his name is Stonewall, I wouldn't be surprised if Absorbing Man's son was meant to be gay from the start.
Meh, just I like real life I don't have a problem with comic characters' sexuality being messy and complicated.
In a world where characters don't stay dead, come from a next time and dimension, can take over take over the body of another person and make it their own I'm not going to worry about the logic of if that character can be gay, bi, lesbian, etc...
That said if you are going to explore a character's sexuality write a good story don't just use it for shock value.
I also agree that existing LGBT characters should be used and developed more.
Besides the fact their relationship has developed into a more sisterly dynamic, the fact that most of the people who ship this are relying on a story that began with Laura possibly fatally cutting herself in a bathroom, and then caring so little about whether she lives or dies she was fully prepared to let a vampire DRAIN HER DRY just to see if Jubilee would actually do it, (and if it could actually killer) makes this INHERENTLY problematic. The Touching Darkness arc was LITERALLY about self-destructive and possibly suicidal behavior.
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The bulk of the fans don't even see this stuff as real. They either read around it and try to ignore it or make up head cannon explanations for it. Telepathic mind control, Skrulls... And when all that becomes too much effort they just stop buying and reading and believing. Imagine if the old Star Trek had been able and willing to do this stuff, eventually the only fans they had left world be the K/S ladies and that is where Marvel and DC are headed.
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I know a ton of Gambit fans, none of whom consider him gay or bi. Statements like that drive me crazy.
Hypothetical...
Vocal minority of fans: "Did you hear, Peter Parker and Johnny Storm FINALLY made out in the latest issue of Fantastic Four. MOST of the fans have been considering them both gay or at least bi for decades, so it was nice to finally see it confirmed on panel. EVERYONE is thrilled!!!"
Majority of fans: That's a lie! Neither Peter or Johnny are gay or bi! The current Marvel Universe is a lie! I might as well stop reading comics, what is even the point anymore?!
For a variety of reasons, not least of all once people stop seeing enough of the characters as 'real' they stop seeing the fictional universe as 'real'. And when only a sliver of people still believe in your fictional universe, it effectively dies...
No, Gambit es heterosexual. And Scott anda Logan IN CANON ARE BISEX.
I mean a writer can believe and say what they want, the important thing is that it shows up in comics, and Logan and Scott already know they have had relationships and they made it clear.
Remy has never seriously flirted with another man, the daken thing was towards Remy, not the other way around, and Daken ended up pretty beat up for that, and "when he kissed his friend" in his solo series they forgot to mention that his friend was in a COMPLETELY WOMAN body.
So there is absolutely nothing to " assume Gambit is bisexual " which YES is in canon with Scott and Logan .
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I don't think Marvel is biphobic when it has a lot of bisexual characters, being in a same-sex relationship and being stable doesn't make them either gay or lesbian.....which I think is what they're confusing.
With bobby.....Iceman never fit me as a straight guy, he always gave closeth gay Fender vibes, so I don't see anything wrong with that, actually that wasn't a surprise, long before that baby Iceman and old Iceman came out from the closet AND THEY WILL DECLAR THEMSELVES 100% GAYS, it was the character that was most speculated to be gay from closeth and there were many tests and open issues about it.
Laura should be a butch lesbian. She was never cooler than in ANW with her black leather jacket and less in the bullseye of the straight male gaze.
Long overdue coming outs for Rahne (lesbian), Dani (bi), Avalanche (gay), Pyro (gay), Storm (pan), Illyana (ace), Tag (gay), and Jubilee (though not necessarily with Laura). I don't think a writer has really put in the work to connect the dots for me, but think M would be fun as bi too.
So which is it...did Claremont write characters as gay per his fantasies or do readers "not understand friendship"?
Either way, Claremont was explicitly FORBIDDEN from writing any of his characters as out gay no matter how heavy handed the hints were.
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Daken and Skein are two established bisexual characters.
Sadly the X-office has never used Skein except for a cameo once I think.
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Technically yes and no. The yes in reference that Sinister did try to take over her body, but no in the sense that under normal circumstances, she is her own character. Albeit, she probably had a bit of a personality change similar to Selene or an evil Emma, but she still sees herself as completely her own being like how Madelyne sees herself. Sinister does not, but his view is irrelevant in regards to identity, since he does not take emotion or opinion into account beyond his own.