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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    And they always have to come up with weird solutions for Miles' codename so we don't have two characters running around with the same codename in a series.
    Just have them share the codename, like there are two Hawkeyes, two Wolverines, three Batgirls, etc. It's not that complicated.
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    I remember way back in Reign of the Supermen how Superboy kept insisting everyone call him Superman. Then, when the real Superman came back, he went "No. THAT'S Superman. Just call me Superboy."

    I really wish Miles would have done something like that. Her picked up the name to carry on Spidey's legacy, I don't see why he didn't drop it once he saw the real Spider-man was still in action.

    Oh well. I suppose it could be worse. He could be Spider-Miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebLurker View Post
    Just have them share the codename, like there are two Hawkeyes, two Wolverines, three Batgirls, etc. It's not that complicated.
    I think it only gets complicated if you try to pair them together when they're characters clearly not designed to work together as a pair or a duo and it shows.

    Because why would you have a character with the exact same codename as the main character? The two Hawkeyes/Wolverine's thing is mostly to service the female version using that name, ultimately, and the Batgirls is a team book where the "main" one takes a backseat as mission control.

    (Even in ITSV the point was Miles coming into his own and that he and Peter have to be their own Spider-Man's on their own Earth's, not together).

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    What about Captain America? Right now there is a comic with both Rogers and Sam being so at the same time and working as a team. Plus, at one point they mention the thing with the name, and decide that yes, they are both Captain America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    I remember way back in Reign of the Supermen how Superboy kept insisting everyone call him Superman. Then, when the real Superman came back, he went "No. THAT'S Superman. Just call me Superboy."

    I really wish Miles would have done something like that. Her picked up the name to carry on Spidey's legacy, I don't see why he didn't drop it once he saw the real Spider-man was still in action.

    Oh well. I suppose it could be worse. He could be Spider-Miles.
    Because it’s honestly pretty dumb that people think an alias can be exclusive.

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    There's rarely a satisfying in-story reason for why a character would take the same name as their friend/inspiration/whatever who is still active. If you became a pro wrestler, you wouldn't use the same name as your wrestler friend. If you became a DJ, you wouldn't use another DJ's alias. It's even more cumbersome given that most of these characters have secret identities. How does the Daily Bugle distinguish between Spider-Man and Spider-Man? If Spider-Man, Spider-Man and a third hero (who doesn't know their secret identities) are having a team-up, what do they call each other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Captain America View Post
    What about Captain America? Right now there is a comic with both Rogers and Sam being so at the same time and working as a team. Plus, at one point they mention the thing with the name, and decide that yes, they are both Captain America
    In separate ongoings. It's not like a single series or show with two Captain America's together.
    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    Because it’s honestly pretty dumb that people think an alias can be exclusive.
    I think it's more just looking at it from a narrative perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou D. Kid View Post
    Reversing OMD isn't just about the marriage. It's also about returning Spider-Man to a version where he is competent and growing as a person.

    I think you can make a strong argument for reversing it:

    1. The post-OMD era, while it's liked by some, has not been as acclaimed and has not contributed to the Spider-Man Mythos as much as the pre-OMD era.

    1a. Kraven's Last Hunt, which features a married Spider-Man, is still more memorable and beloved in the culture than anything post-OMD.

    1b. If we stick only to 21st century writers, JMS is still the most influential 616 Spider-Man writer of the 21st century (Morlun, Spider-Totems, the reinvention of Aunt May, the relationship with Iron Man and the Avengers, job as a teacher - set up in the Insomniac game and recently mentioned by Feige as his favorite of Peter's jobs). The second most influential is Paul Jenkins (reinvented Green Goblin post-Ressurection, added the subplot of Norman looking at Peter like a son, added to Doc Ock's origin, added nuance to Venom, etc.). Admittedly not all of these are related to the marriage, but anyone who gets into Spider-Man comics is likelier to check out stories by these writers first, and these writers all wrote a competent Spider-Man who is married to MJ.

    1c. Whatever the post-OMD era added to the mythos that stuck long-term (Mr. Negative, maybe Agent Venom), they don't need a single Peter.

    2. Marvel is about brand synergy, right? Peter is married or in a long-term relationship with MJ in every other medium right now - ITSV, Insomniac, and MCU (soon to be reunited). All of those are hot and mainstream right now.
    Yeah, I suppose we could analyse post-OMD Spider-Man against pre-OMD Spider-Man. Everything from the death of Gwen Stacy, to OMD has had some drama involving MJ, even killing her off at one stage. Everything post-OMD had MJ aligning with Tony Stark, mostly, and only peripherally meeting Peter Parker as a friend, (as MCU Peter suggested to MJ in Spider-Man 1 by Sam Raimi). It’s hard to differentiate the two phases of this period as good Spidey, or bad Spidey, because each phase had its positives and negatives. Dan Slott is what we have to evaluate here. Slott had to carry the can of a post-marriage Spider-Man and his BND beginnings were quite good. I looked at BND negatively, because I was against OMD, but have we really had an MJ-free Spider saga? MJ was always lurking there in the background, and all Dan Slott brought us, was a marriage drama-free Spider-Man like Steve Ditko era Spider-Man. I can’t say Dan Slotts era was any worse than the Ditko/Romita Snr era. I found stories I enjoyed in Dan Slotts era.

    What I can say is MJ never left the Spider-Man franchise after OMD.
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    One additional change is that the MJ of the movies is different from the MJ of the comics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackolover View Post
    What I can say is MJ never left the Spider-Man franchise after OMD.
    Just the same as the marriage never left either, it vanished from one universe but new stories about it kept being published, and still does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    One additional change is that the MJ of the movies is different from the MJ of the comics.
    and the mj from the games as well ps4 mj still sucks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman27 View Post
    and the mj from the games as well ps4 mj still sucks
    It only sucks that she's a reporter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinroc View Post
    It only sucks that she's a reporter.
    and the reason for the break up
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackolover View Post
    Yeah, I suppose we could analyse post-OMD Spider-Man against pre-OMD Spider-Man. Everything from the death of Gwen Stacy, to OMD has had some drama involving MJ, even killing her off at one stage. Everything post-OMD had MJ aligning with Tony Stark, mostly, and only peripherally meeting Peter Parker as a friend, (as MCU Peter suggested to MJ in Spider-Man 1 by Sam Raimi). It’s hard to differentiate the two phases of this period as good Spidey, or bad Spidey, because each phase had its positives and negatives. Dan Slott is what we have to evaluate here. Slott had to carry the can of a post-marriage Spider-Man and his BND beginnings were quite good. I looked at BND negatively, because I was against OMD, but have we really had an MJ-free Spider saga? MJ was always lurking there in the background, and all Dan Slott brought us, was a marriage drama-free Spider-Man like Steve Ditko era Spider-Man. I can’t say Dan Slotts era was any worse than the Ditko/Romita Snr era. I found stories I enjoyed in Dan Slotts era.

    What I can say is MJ never left the Spider-Man franchise after OMD.
    I don't agree that it was like the Ditko era because the context with Ditko was completely different. It was the Lee/Ditko run who first introduced MJ and set her up as Peter's eventual endgame. The fact that Ditko left before the MJ reveal doesn't negate that.

    Slott on the other hand has gone out of his way to diminish MJ's role as a supporting character and love interest. Sure, to an extent, he inherited that status quo from OMD. However, it can't entirely be blamed on OMD. Nick Spencer proved that Quesada and Editorial are only against Peter being married; they're not against Peter dating MJ. Their separation in the past 15 years (minus the 3 years where Spencer was on) can thus be more attributed to Slott and Wells, even though OMD was the trigger of that.

    What that also means is that Slott and Wells are anomalies even by the standards of the group of writers that are pro-OMD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman27 View Post
    and the reason for the break up
    It's a pretty standard superhero break-up thing.

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