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    Default Phoenix vs the Spectre

    Phoenix (Marvel) versus the Spectre (DC). Composite versions of both. Who wins?

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    Most versions of the Spectre take this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop View Post
    Most versions of the Spectre take this.
    This is a composite so Spectre definitely wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade1 View Post
    This is a composite so Spectre definitely wins.
    Yep. Even narrowing it down to one Spectre version, most would take it. But composite seals the deal.

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    Spectre isn't immune to cosmics. Both the Anti-Monitor and Parallax managed to knock him back a bit and a Guardian suggested they could match him. On the other hand, he keeps dimensions apart, sneers at DC Olympians and burns Darkseid to a skeleton (who survives because of some plot mumbo jumbo). Later, Darkseid 'kills' him.

    I agree that a composite takes Phoenix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Smith View Post
    Spectre isn't immune to cosmics. Both the Anti-Monitor and Parallax managed to knock him back a bit and a Guardian suggested they could match him. On the other hand, he keeps dimensions apart, sneers at DC Olympians and burns Darkseid to a skeleton (who survives because of some plot mumbo jumbo). Later, Darkseid 'kills' him.

    I agree that a composite takes Phoenix.
    Anti-Monitor and Parallax are far above Phoenix.

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    The Phoenix is my favorite cosmic being, but I agree that she doesn't stand a chance here.

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    I'm gonna go with the one whose powerlist is "does whatever random bit of reality warping fits a cool visual this time" and "can pull off the no shirt green cloak look" here.

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    Does top level Spectre trump White Crown Phoenix?

    She's supposedly universal and was rewriting timelines and stuff without much effort.

    That's pretty high end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik Hasta View Post
    Does top level Spectre trump White Crown Phoenix?

    She's supposedly universal and was rewriting timelines and stuff without much effort.

    That's pretty high end.
    That was going to be my comment, ninja- ed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik Hasta View Post
    Does top level Spectre trump White Crown Phoenix?

    She's supposedly universal and was rewriting timelines and stuff without much effort.

    That's pretty high end.
    I don't know much about WCP but the Anti-Monitor and Parallax are both universal is she above them?

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    Spectre is the actual embodiment of the wrath of God. Yes, that God. He has extensive reality warping feats, and some time travel feats, including all the way back to the Big Bang.

    Is he universal? Well, there is literally no limit to his size-changing ability. Here he appears so large that his eyes are 23 light years apart:

    https://i.imgur.com/u1HeNmP.png

    Here, the Spectre grows to a size spanning millions of light years:

    https://i.imgur.com/HYGeSXZ.jpg

    Is he multiversal? In issues #46 and #83 of Justice League of America, he physically holds Earth-1 and Earth-2 apart to prevent them from merging. (He performs the same feat with the DC universe and the 616 universe in JLA/Avengers, but we don't count crossover feats.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakanai View Post
    I'm gonna go with the one whose powerlist is "does whatever random bit of reality warping fits a cool visual this time" and "can pull off the no shirt green cloak look" here.
    I dunno, I think that Jean Grey Phoenix could pull off that look pretty well, if she was allowed to.

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    While I know crossovers don't tend to count, I am reminded that in DC vs Marvel, Specter was chosen to hang with the Living Tribunal as the representatives of DC and Marvels highest cosmic enforcers. That's a pretty ludicrous weight class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkerbob View Post
    While I know crossovers don't tend to count, I am reminded that in DC vs Marvel, Specter was chosen to hang with the Living Tribunal as the representatives of DC and Marvels highest cosmic enforcers. That's a pretty ludicrous weight class.
    And one well outside of the Spectres. Lucifer/Michael would be Tribunals DC equivalent in terms of cosmic rank and power. He casually stomped Spectre as Michael.
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