Sins of Sinister a new Crossover coming January 2023

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

Which alternate reality character stays and/or which sole and only character remembers the events of this yet another time-travel/alternate reality event?

I think it was Frenzy after Age of X, and Bishop and Jean after the last alternate reality story from a couple years ago. Or was that the alternate reality story before last? The one about X-Man? They do this trope so very often that it all blends together. At least this one is doing the mash-the-characters-together thing. That's a fun wrinkle. The event with the Wolverine/Emma Frost mash-up was like 3 years ago so we are very very long overdue to see that kind of thing again.

Oh wait Rasputin VIXXIIIIIX is likely staying because they made the mistake of not having her stay in 616 needlessly after Powers of X.

Lol

[Kingdom X]

Which alternate reality character stays and/or which sole and only character remembers the events of this yet another time-travel/alternate reality event?

I think it was Frenzy after Age of X, and Bishop and Jean after the last alternate reality story from a couple years ago. Or was that the alternate reality story before last? The one about X-Man? They do this trope so very often that it all blends together. At least this one is doing the mash-the-characters-together thing. That's a fun wrinkle. The event with the Wolverine/Emma Frost mash-up was like 3 years ago so we are very very long overdue to see that kind of thing again.

Oh wait Rasputin VIXXIIIIIX is likely staying because they made the mistake of not having her stay in 616 needlessly after Powers of X.

Lol

I think everyone remembers Age of X-Man actually, but it the aftermath of that wasn’t really addressed because it was followed immediately by HoX/PoX. I do think that Williams and Ayala had brought it up in their books, even if it was brief.

But to your other point yeah the X-Men have been through this alt reality mess quite a few times. It’ll take a lot to make this one unique.

[Kingdom X]

I thought as much.

But then...it's really odd that the other books and characters are carrying on "as normal" yet you have this whole millennia of cataclysmic stuff going on in a "pocket timeline" that doesn't affect them. Not knowing how exactly The Diamond Empire comes about, or what triggers that SoS event, from that perspective it doesn't look cohesive nor does it feel impactful to the X-line as a whole when the rest of the line is ignoring/left out of the event.

Yeah… on the one hand I do think these type of events work better when they’re line wide like AoA since it makes it easier to get immersed in the new world that our heroes are in. On the other hand… issa lot of Sinister as is so if the other books don’t have any meaningful contributions than I ain’t mad at them just doing their own thing. I am surprised Duggan’s X-Men isn’t involved at all since it was there that the first alternate Sinister was introduced.

Unrelated, but I think the greatest tragedy of this event so far is the loss of Storm’s textured cloud hair. That mohawk lookin STIFF as can be.

[Krakoa]

Which alternate reality character stays and/or which sole and only character remembers the events of this yet another time-travel/alternate reality event?

I think it was Frenzy after Age of X, and Bishop and Jean after the last alternate reality story from a couple years ago. Or was that the alternate reality story before last? The one about X-Man? They do this trope so very often that it all blends together. At least this one is doing the mash-the-characters-together thing. That's a fun wrinkle. The event with the Wolverine/Emma Frost mash-up was like 3 years ago so we are very very long overdue to see that kind of thing again.

Oh wait Rasputin VIXXIIIIIX is likely staying because they made the mistake of not having her stay in 616 needlessly after Powers of X.

Lol

Everyone remembered Age of X, but Emma and the Cuckoos offered to erase the Age of X memories for anyone who wanted, which many agreed to. Frenzy decided to keep her memories.

[Exodus]

The trailer made me a lot more interested in the event. I think it will be good fun.

Sadly, I'm not really feeling the character designs overall. Seeing the "Nightcrawlers" made me really nostalgic for Grant Morisson's New X-Men and Marc Silvestri's art. I wished they would get Silvestri to draw some X-Men comic events once in a while...Miss his art.

[Doom'nGloom]

The event looks stupid fun. I find it funny that it took 3 years for the QC to finally address the eugenics obsessed Nazi scum in the room and as soon as they did it bit them in the ***

[BobbysWorld]

Someone on reddit made a very interesting point about Sinister's obsession with the Summers family. It goes back to before Scott as even in the late 1800s (long before the creation of the four card Sinisters) the original Nathaniel Essex was already manipulating the Summers family line via their ancestor Daniel Summers.

So if the Sinisters were all made with a degree of the original Essex's memories....they could presumably ALL have had some kind of fixation on the Summers line.

And given that we know one of the Sinisters has been in space for decades as Orbis Stellaris....suddenly that puts a potentially whole new spin on the alien abduction of Christopher and Kate Summers (which left Scott and Alex alone and vulnerable on Earth) and which led to Katherine's still unborn child Gabriel ending up in Shi'ar hands.....where they did SOME genetic tinkering in order to age him prematurely, according to Deadly Genesis. (And then Katherine additionally ended up the mother of an extremely powerful Shi'ar mutant hybrid, Adam Neramani).

COULD Orbis Stellaris have had something to do with the Shi'ar abduction of the Summer parents, for his own plans? Except rather than focus the usual fixation on the Summers bloodline on the eldest, Scott, Orbis saw the most potential in the youngest, still unborn son. The one we KNOW had some kind of genetic experimentation done on him in utero....by aliens....and who just so happened to be the only omega of the Summers sibling set. If Orbis Stellaris regularly advertises his services in genetic manipulation to large galactic civilizations....ESPECIALLY his expertise in manipulating genetics of alien species (which humans are, to the Shi'ar), its extremely plausible that he could have had a hand in the experiments on Gabe, or at the very least farmed out various 'techniques' or patented genetic-manipulating processes that the Shi'ar used.

Getting the parents of the Summers brothers off Earth and firmly in alien (aka 'his') territory for easy access to them and any future progeny they'd have beyond Scott and Alex....that seems very much like something a Sinister might do, now that we know that there's explicitly a cosmic-focused Sinister with access to the exact kinds of networks and resources needed to pull off the alien abduction of the progenitors of one of the most focused-on mutant families out there.

[Jackraow21]

Holy cow, man! That’s mind blowing. And if that’s not the case, it should be. F’ing brilliant!

This is similar to how, in light of what we now know about Apocalypse’s motivations thanks to X of Swords, you have to look at his relationship with Cable in a whole new light. Did he know when he infected baby Nathan with his Apocalypse strain of the transmode virus that he was actually architecting his own origin? Or was he just trying to harden him for the future and what was to come?

[Odd Rödney]

Someone on reddit made a very interesting point about Sinister's obsession with the Summers family. It goes back to before Scott as even in the late 1800s (long before the creation of the four card Sinisters) the original Nathaniel Essex was already manipulating the Summers family line via their ancestor Daniel Summers.

So if the Sinisters were all made with a degree of the original Essex's memories....they could presumably ALL have had some kind of fixation on the Summers line.

And given that we know one of the Sinisters has been in space for decades as Orbis Stellaris....suddenly that puts a potentially whole new spin on the alien abduction of Christopher and Kate Summers (which left Scott and Alex alone and vulnerable on Earth) and which led to Katherine's still unborn child Gabriel ending up in Shi'ar hands.....where they did SOME genetic tinkering in order to age him prematurely, according to Deadly Genesis. (And then Katherine additionally ended up the mother of an extremely powerful Shi'ar mutant hybrid, Adam Neramani).

COULD Orbis Stellaris have had something to do with the Shi'ar abduction of the Summer parents, for his own plans? Except rather than focus the usual fixation on the Summers bloodline on the eldest, Scott, Orbis saw the most potential in the youngest, still unborn son. The one we KNOW had some kind of genetic experimentation done on him in utero....by aliens....and who just so happened to be the only omega of the Summers sibling set. If Orbis Stellaris regularly advertises his services in genetic manipulation to large galactic civilizations....ESPECIALLY his expertise in manipulating genetics of alien species (which humans are, to the Shi'ar), its extremely plausible that he could have had a hand in the experiments on Gabe, or at the very least farmed out various 'techniques' or patented genetic-manipulating processes that the Shi'ar used.

Getting the parents of the Summers brothers off Earth and firmly in alien (aka 'his') territory for easy access to them and any future progeny they'd have beyond Scott and Alex....that seems very much like something a Sinister might do, now that we know that there's explicitly a cosmic-focused Sinister with access to the exact kinds of networks and resources needed to pull off the alien abduction of the progenitors of one of the most focused-on mutant families out there.

Dude, you might be on to something there!

[Harasar]

Someone on reddit made a very interesting point about Sinister's obsession with the Summers family. It goes back to before Scott as even in the late 1800s (long before the creation of the four card Sinisters) the original Nathaniel Essex was already manipulating the Summers family line via their ancestor Daniel Summers.

So if the Sinisters were all made with a degree of the original Essex's memories....they could presumably ALL have had some kind of fixation on the Summers line.

And given that we know one of the Sinisters has been in space for decades as Orbis Stellaris....suddenly that puts a potentially whole new spin on the alien abduction of Christopher and Kate Summers (which left Scott and Alex alone and vulnerable on Earth) and which led to Katherine's still unborn child Gabriel ending up in Shi'ar hands.....where they did SOME genetic tinkering in order to age him prematurely, according to Deadly Genesis. (And then Katherine additionally ended up the mother of an extremely powerful Shi'ar mutant hybrid, Adam Neramani).

COULD Orbis Stellaris have had something to do with the Shi'ar abduction of the Summer parents, for his own plans? Except rather than focus the usual fixation on the Summers bloodline on the eldest, Scott, Orbis saw the most potential in the youngest, still unborn son. The one we KNOW had some kind of genetic experimentation done on him in utero....by aliens....and who just so happened to be the only omega of the Summers sibling set. If Orbis Stellaris regularly advertises his services in genetic manipulation to large galactic civilizations....ESPECIALLY his expertise in manipulating genetics of alien species (which humans are, to the Shi'ar), its extremely plausible that he could have had a hand in the experiments on Gabe, or at the very least farmed out various 'techniques' or patented genetic-manipulating processes that the Shi'ar used.

Getting the parents of the Summers brothers off Earth and firmly in alien (aka 'his') territory for easy access to them and any future progeny they'd have beyond Scott and Alex....that seems very much like something a Sinister might do, now that we know that there's explicitly a cosmic-focused Sinister with access to the exact kinds of networks and resources needed to pull off the alien abduction of the progenitors of one of the most focused-on mutant families out there.

Interesting theory. Would be cool if it is indeed happened this way. Also, some cosmic scientists kidnapped Deathbird and made experiments on her and Vulcan's son while he was still in utero. And Shi'ar not only made experiments on Vulcan, but also created Adam-X who was last year finally confirmed as a half-brother of Summers; son of Katherine Summers and D'Ken. And as was shown in flashbacks, Adam was just one of the created children, so perhaps these were experiments to discover which parent has better genetics - Katherine or Christopher, and/or who of the Neramani have better genetic matching with them, and Sinister on Earth then was interested in Adam. If it all was orchestrated by cosmic Essex, then perhaps he and Earth's Sinister interacted, which would explain how Sinister knew about the third Summers brother and why he spied on Adam-X.

Some additional theories, Sinister seems to be interested in Nightcrawler (going by the Sins of Sinister using him as a base for a bunch of chimeras) and Rasputins' genetics (again, we saw chimeras with Colossus' and Magik's genes, and in 2000s there was a mini-series about Colossus' family, revealing that they are descendants of Grigori Rasputin, so-called mystic who was associated with last Russian emperor and Sinister was involved with Grigori and kept and eye on his family for generations). So perhaps Mystique meeting with Azazel and birth of Kurt, as well as Magik ending up in Limbo were all orchestrated by "magic" Essex.

Also, "stasis" could be said to be a time-related concept, and who is the best known time-traveller in Marvel universe? Kang! The one who took away Katie Summers - daughter of Havok and Wasp. What if Kang and Doctor Stasis are allies of sort, and Katie ended up in Doctor Stasis hands?

[Nicoclaws]

Someone on reddit made a very interesting point about Sinister's obsession with the Summers family. It goes back to before Scott as even in the late 1800s (long before the creation of the four card Sinisters) the original Nathaniel Essex was already manipulating the Summers family line via their ancestor Daniel Summers.

So if the Sinisters were all made with a degree of the original Essex's memories....they could presumably ALL have had some kind of fixation on the Summers line.

And given that we know one of the Sinisters has been in space for decades as Orbis Stellaris....suddenly that puts a potentially whole new spin on the alien abduction of Christopher and Kate Summers (which left Scott and Alex alone and vulnerable on Earth) and which led to Katherine's still unborn child Gabriel ending up in Shi'ar hands.....where they did SOME genetic tinkering in order to age him prematurely, according to Deadly Genesis. (And then Katherine additionally ended up the mother of an extremely powerful Shi'ar mutant hybrid, Adam Neramani).

COULD Orbis Stellaris have had something to do with the Shi'ar abduction of the Summer parents, for his own plans? Except rather than focus the usual fixation on the Summers bloodline on the eldest, Scott, Orbis saw the most potential in the youngest, still unborn son. The one we KNOW had some kind of genetic experimentation done on him in utero....by aliens....and who just so happened to be the only omega of the Summers sibling set. If Orbis Stellaris regularly advertises his services in genetic manipulation to large galactic civilizations....ESPECIALLY his expertise in manipulating genetics of alien species (which humans are, to the Shi'ar), its extremely plausible that he could have had a hand in the experiments on Gabe, or at the very least farmed out various 'techniques' or patented genetic-manipulating processes that the Shi'ar used.

Getting the parents of the Summers brothers off Earth and firmly in alien (aka 'his') territory for easy access to them and any future progeny they'd have beyond Scott and Alex....that seems very much like something a Sinister might do, now that we know that there's explicitly a cosmic-focused Sinister with access to the exact kinds of networks and resources needed to pull off the alien abduction of the progenitors of one of the most focused-on mutant families out there.

Stop giving us those theories ! They make too much sense !

[Exodus]

Someone on reddit made a very interesting point about Sinister's obsession with the Summers family. It goes back to before Scott as even in the late 1800s (long before the creation of the four card Sinisters) the original Nathaniel Essex was already manipulating the Summers family line via their ancestor Daniel Summers.

So if the Sinisters were all made with a degree of the original Essex's memories....they could presumably ALL have had some kind of fixation on the Summers line.

And given that we know one of the Sinisters has been in space for decades as Orbis Stellaris....suddenly that puts a potentially whole new spin on the alien abduction of Christopher and Kate Summers (which left Scott and Alex alone and vulnerable on Earth) and which led to Katherine's still unborn child Gabriel ending up in Shi'ar hands.....where they did SOME genetic tinkering in order to age him prematurely, according to Deadly Genesis. (And then Katherine additionally ended up the mother of an extremely powerful Shi'ar mutant hybrid, Adam Neramani).

COULD Orbis Stellaris have had something to do with the Shi'ar abduction of the Summer parents, for his own plans? Except rather than focus the usual fixation on the Summers bloodline on the eldest, Scott, Orbis saw the most potential in the youngest, still unborn son. The one we KNOW had some kind of genetic experimentation done on him in utero....by aliens....and who just so happened to be the only omega of the Summers sibling set. If Orbis Stellaris regularly advertises his services in genetic manipulation to large galactic civilizations....ESPECIALLY his expertise in manipulating genetics of alien species (which humans are, to the Shi'ar), its extremely plausible that he could have had a hand in the experiments on Gabe, or at the very least farmed out various 'techniques' or patented genetic-manipulating processes that the Shi'ar used.

Getting the parents of the Summers brothers off Earth and firmly in alien (aka 'his') territory for easy access to them and any future progeny they'd have beyond Scott and Alex....that seems very much like something a Sinister might do, now that we know that there's explicitly a cosmic-focused Sinister with access to the exact kinds of networks and resources needed to pull off the alien abduction of the progenitors of one of the most focused-on mutant families out there.

Doesn't matter what will revealed in the comicbooks next, THAT is my new head canon for all eternity!!

Normally, I'm not the biggest fan of those retcons where a mastermind has manipulated every single situation for years, but this would make a lot of sense and tie the entire convoluted Summer family history neatly together.

Perfect!

[mugen]

In the trailer we see the avengers and the mutants fight against armed men I have the impression that it's orchis and we also see moira, maybe their victory against orchis which then makes the mutants popular in the year 10 as explained from immoral x-men.

[JB]

Gillen interview with CBR and new preview pages of Immortal #10:
https://www.cbr.com/sins-of-sinister...len-interview/





Powerful pages.

Most of the info in the interview we've learned previously, just posting this quote confirming that what happens along the timeline will impact the present:

Gillen: "So, this may be a crossover, but these are still the stories we set in motion. The other key thing is it impacts the present day. This may be a different timeline, but the stuff that is brought back is meaningful. I've started writing the issue of Immortal X-Men where we come back. It's fun. We come back to a really interesting political situation."

[Micabe]

Someone on reddit made a very interesting point about Sinister's obsession with the Summers family. It goes back to before Scott as even in the late 1800s (long before the creation of the four card Sinisters) the original Nathaniel Essex was already manipulating the Summers family line via their ancestor Daniel Summers.

So if the Sinisters were all made with a degree of the original Essex's memories....they could presumably ALL have had some kind of fixation on the Summers line.

And given that we know one of the Sinisters has been in space for decades as Orbis Stellaris....suddenly that puts a potentially whole new spin on the alien abduction of Christopher and Kate Summers (which left Scott and Alex alone and vulnerable on Earth) and which led to Katherine's still unborn child Gabriel ending up in Shi'ar hands.....where they did SOME genetic tinkering in order to age him prematurely, according to Deadly Genesis. (And then Katherine additionally ended up the mother of an extremely powerful Shi'ar mutant hybrid, Adam Neramani).

COULD Orbis Stellaris have had something to do with the Shi'ar abduction of the Summer parents, for his own plans? Except rather than focus the usual fixation on the Summers bloodline on the eldest, Scott, Orbis saw the most potential in the youngest, still unborn son. The one we KNOW had some kind of genetic experimentation done on him in utero....by aliens....and who just so happened to be the only omega of the Summers sibling set. If Orbis Stellaris regularly advertises his services in genetic manipulation to large galactic civilizations....ESPECIALLY his expertise in manipulating genetics of alien species (which humans are, to the Shi'ar), its extremely plausible that he could have had a hand in the experiments on Gabe, or at the very least farmed out various 'techniques' or patented genetic-manipulating processes that the Shi'ar used.

Getting the parents of the Summers brothers off Earth and firmly in alien (aka 'his') territory for easy access to them and any future progeny they'd have beyond Scott and Alex....that seems very much like something a Sinister might do, now that we know that there's explicitly a cosmic-focused Sinister with access to the exact kinds of networks and resources needed to pull off the alien abduction of the progenitors of one of the most focused-on mutant families out there.

Daniel Edge (Earth-616)