X-Men #14 Review: Iceman Saves the World, World Still Doomed

[Kurolegacy]

You know, I know that the post about Doom talking the Celestial into submission from the Judgement Day thread was a joke but after Cyclops’ scene I’m now wondering if Doom could literally pull something like that off

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Is Bobby trying too hard? He seems like one of those people who was closeted for so long that now that he's out, he's trying to make up for lost time. I read somewhere once that people who have been out for decades are way calmer than the freshly liberated. Is that what this is, or is this just straight people writing a gay character but not really understanding how to do it?

[Rift]

That being said: I did see an interesting theory on Twitter arguing the judgment is actually how the heroes view themselves, which I think is neat. Especially in comparison to I think how Captain America views himself -- his books are always a struggle with the American identity -- compared to Scott "Cyclops was Right" Summers. Which I actually think would be a super neat twist.

This is a good theory. It would explain why Emma got a failing judgment - even if you ignore her feelings of guilt and sadness over letting her kids down, her focus issue in Immortal was all about her seeing the worst in herself. The Celestial's judgment just "confirmed" everything she feared about herself.

With this in mind, Tony will likely fail. He holds Cap in higher regard than he does himself, and is aware of his own issues. Sinister will most likely pass, unless they throw us a curveball on his character. Druig might fail, and that could be a disaster for his rule.

My alternate theory is that the Celestial Judge (seriously, we need a name for it) is gay. It downvoted all of the women. It repelled the all-female Hexes. But it gave Cyclops and Kor thumbs up, and it will likely give Kraven a passing judgment after he flashed it. Shaw will likely get a pass, too. The only exception to this rule is Steve, but maybe it's not into blonds. It might have gotten its sexuality from Sinister's campy influence, or maybe Tony's not telling us something.

[Jackraow21]

This issue felt like filler. Just treading water during the event.

[Proxy]

The celestial’s judgement is getting more pointless with each issue. Even if the theory is true and everyone is judged by there own self esteem, what difference does it make to the x-men’s story in the long run?

Cyclops judgement is amusing: ‘just try and judge me and my wife will beat you up’.

[carmoc1234]

The celestial’s judgement is getting more pointless with each issue. Even if the theory is true and everyone is judged by there own self esteem, what difference does it make to the x-men’s story in the long run?

Cyclops judgement is amusing: ‘just try and judge me and my wife will beat you up’.

yea but the problem with jean beating the celestial up is they already tried and failed to do that in the main book.

[Rift]

He wasn't saying that Jean could beat up the Celestial. He was proposing that they start a polyamorous relationship with her in the center. Now that Logan's out, they need a third.

[Kingdom X]

Is Bobby trying too hard? He seems like one of those people who was closeted for so long that now that he's out, he's trying to make up for lost time. I read somewhere once that people who have been out for decades are way calmer than the freshly liberated. Is that what this is, or is this just straight people writing a gay character but not really understanding how to do it?

This is an interesting question you bring up. I think his Marvel Unlimited series did “catching up for lost time,” in a really fun and organic way. I want to say this is more of the latter because him shouting “I am gay,” does seem like what a straight person would think pride looks like because they don’t actually understand what a gay person might do in their free time that demonstrates a sense of pride.

[Fokken]

This is an interesting question you bring up. I think his Marvel Unlimited series did “catching up for lost time,” in a really fun and organic way. I want to say this is more of the latter because him shouting “I am gay,” does seem like what a straight person would think pride looks like because they don’t actually understand what a gay person might do in their free time that demonstrates a sense of pride.

I mean, hence forth, Iceman should be written, as often as achievable, by Luciano Vecchio, and when he's unable, he should be consulted and paid for said consultations.

[Glio]

I wasn't expecting this to be about Iceman and I liked it. Usually coexistence is just "don't be yourself to don't be a problem" and that's not true coexistence, it is just assimilation

[Havok83]

Duggan did a good job with the team in this book and I didnt mind the art. Loved seeing Bobby get spotlight. Firestar's new uni looked good on her

[JB]

Duggan did a good job with the team in this book and I didnt mind the art. Loved seeing Bobby get spotlight. Firestar's new uni looked good her

I agree, I thought the costume looked good in action. I really like that her mask is produced by her powers.

[Glio]

The celestial’s judgement is getting more pointless with each issue. Even if the theory is true and everyone is judged by there own self esteem, what difference does it make to the x-men’s story in the long run?

Cyclops judgement is amusing: ‘just try and judge me and my wife will beat you up’.

What? That's not what I have read. The Celestial is not afraid, he just used what Jean and the X-Men think of Scott to make their judgement.

[Steroid]

Nice spotlight issue for Iceman but besides that I was pretty underwhelmed with the issue as a whole. Poor Havok is going to be the ignored team member this year it seems like.

[Havok83]

Nice spotlight issue for Iceman but besides that I was pretty underwhelmed with the issue as a whole. Poor Havok is going to be the ignored team member this year it seems like.

To be fair, 8 is way too big for a team and he shouldnt be on it anyway. The sweet spot for me is 5 and 7 at the highest end. Very few writers are able to juggle 8 or more and have it work